Open 895 - 09:12 PM - Postgame

[shaddowez]

VOTE: Gob

Technically V/LA, will be back Monday

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Didn't get back to this until today and have to catch up, but I love that my entire ISO of 1 post so far is being used for something.

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shaddowez i think has been a little under the radar.

I literally posted an RVS vote and have been V/LA. Stop ruining my scum game

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VOTE: clap

I can't throw stones about post count/engagement, but the posts he has don't seem like he's trying to find information. 190 and 191 are super interesting, considering Cook clarifies in 200 that the order was reversed. In 189 he back off his Elements read, but completely ignores the question of limming him.

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200 comes after 190/191 though? I also ignored gob when he became interested in limming me.

True, but if Cook is telling the truth about it being reversed, Clap's agreement almost seems appeasy. In the post itself Cook says she's paring you and black which are in the top tier, so to "agree" with it means Clap didn't actually pay attention.

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In 189 he back off his Elements read,

but completely ignores the question of limming him.

Let me get this straight. In 101, gob said, "How about we lim you Claptastic?"

I quoted that in 189.

Is this what you're referring to in the bolded part above?

That was exactly what I referring to, since you didn't respond to it between those two posts, and in 189 where you quoted it you also just completely ignored it.

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UNVOTE: ssbm
This is looking better.

How did this change since 225?

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I'm not a fan of naked votes because they're easy to disguise, but having played with several of these people before at this point they're completely NAI.

Will catch up more shortly when back at a computer

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Elements, are you always this chaotic at the beginning of a game? Does it continue?

This feels like a town post to me

What makes this feel townie to you?

We're not doing the hydra sorry guys. I think Mizuki is a valid option

Really not liking the hydra defense going on here. The problem I have with the gob/D&D read is I don't think gob would hard defend a partner that already has a wagon forming. I know it's WIFOM fodder, but that doesn't feel like a gob move.

Still waiting on shadow's catch-up too...

I'm not a fan of naked votes because they're easy to disguise, but having played with several of these people before at this point they're completely NAI.

Will catch up more shortly when back at a computer

Yeah, I failed at that. Honestly doing it right now. From what I've read so far, Clap's improved in my book - looking into Kyu and D&D first.

VOTE: unvote

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@Kyouko - what changed between 396 and 405 regarding the D&D wagon?

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I have a similar reaction to her when I'm town

O.o

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Man, and I was hoping for an easy solve. Also, can't believe I missed the page top like that

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@Kyouko - what changed between 396 and 405 regarding the D&D wagon?

Nothing changed in there. Doc posted I guess (396 is a reply to 366, think of it as being there if you're looking for what happened between the two posts), but it was mostly him shitposting. I

think

that's NAI for him, but I don't have any completed games with him to know very well.

In 396 you say you don't mind the wagon:

I don't mind the D&D wagon

In 405 you say you don't love it:

I don't love the wagon (Clap is fine), but aside from that, I don't really want to lim Gamma's hydra right now because I can read her really well and the content isn't there to read yet.

How can nothing have changed?

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I'm good with sheeping onto D&D. There doesn't seem to be any sort of gamesolve going on at all. The only vote they've had so far was basically because they didn't like being told to vote me. Most of the rest of their posts have been fluff, or at the very least have no good explanation to them at all.

VOTE: Doc and Drew

This is E-1

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I've played with shaddow recently and his activity is very sporadic. I don't think it's a scumtell of his

It's like prying teeth trying to get anything out of him and when he's finally at his PC he gives us next to nothing

I'm just getting the vibe that maybe he's trying to coast through the day and not say much. There's questions in his ISO but I'm not getting the sense that he's all that interested in finding scum

So is me not being around much scummy or is it now?

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So is me not being around much scummy or is it not?

EBWOP

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Would also be willing to go Mizuki. She's not giving any indications one way or the other on most reads until her last post in 395, where she asks a question of Elements and infers it being scummy, but doesn't do anything about it.

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I think shaddow popping in to put D&D to e-1 right after we were discussing moving to him seems really sus

How does that matter, unless D&D and myself are both scum, and the third quick hammers? I'm obviously not gonna vote myself, so if anyone else wants to vote and move to me they're welcome to.

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Your activity is sporadic but I'm used to you actually giving detailed thoughts when you show up.

I try to keep personal life out of things, but my son lost his favorite stuffy a couple of days ago and today had an appointment about possibly needing surgery. Not at all trying to be an AtE here, but I will admit my mind isn't quite in it as usual.

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I do tend to coast through most D1's, I tend to work better once we know some alignments.

I generally do better post D1 as well, but it's still helpful to try and gauge some sort of alignment D1.

Am I an idiot(don't answer that lol), but what slip?

The only thing I can think of is my "now" vs "not"....

I do tend to agree, is a very safe play to just sheep people onto me to grease the wheels of the mislim.

Couldn't you say this about any E-1 vote?

Ah man, hope that all turns out for the best.

Thanks, me too!

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Back - apologies for forgetting to officially post my weekend V/LA.

I have a decent amount of catching up to do, but wanted to get these thoughts out first.

The wagon completely dropping from D&D concerns me. Black's unvote to not want to end the day is legit, but as soon as she does that the wagon collapses. It feels like there was probably at least one person on that wagon that knew D&D's alignment, and are using the fact that it was no longer E-1 to push somewhere else. The others on that wagon were Elements and Clap. Elements voted somewhere completely different; however, Clap moved back to me. To me, this feels like Clap knows D&D's alignment, and rather than continue to push what should be a SR easily gave up on that wagon and voted me for an easy looking push since both gob and Black had already posted about my vote seeming scummy.

VOTE: Clap

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Looking back at Mizuki's interactions with Clap in 176,227,281, considering the possibility of a Clap/Elements solve.

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I think you might want to claim. You're at e-1

Won't change much. I'm VT

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see now i want to flip shadow and see if one of these is buddying

And now timing looks scummy, because I was about to post that they both seemed to flip pretty quick based on not much from me :/

It's D1, if you really feel a flip from me would provide the most information go for it, but it would be purely for associations/VCA since I'm not flipping scum.

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These are somewhat surface level since I haven't completely finished catching up, nor have I gone back to do more associations since newer posts:

{clap, elements, mizuki}

{doc and drew, kyo, gob}

{black, cook}

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No, I didn't say any one person was responsible for the wagon collapsing, I just said it did. What I am saying is that Black's reasoning and specific move felt genuine, and while Element's move was strange (and note, I also have her in my SR list), your move on to me instead of continuing to push the SR you were already on felt scummy.

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I also don't trust you to start participating D2.

So am I a policy lim or an actual SR?

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Running everyone up to a claim is like the worst move we can make here

I knew I was at E-1 and was going to hold until intent. The only reason I claimed is because you specifically suggested it.

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BTW, your charge on me applies to yourself as well. Why aren't you pushing Doc?

Because my read changed after the wagon fell apart. I know I'm town and I'm reading Black as town. The way it dissolved makes it more likely he's town than not considering there's only one other scum if they are.

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Yeah I think you were correct to claim here. I don't like gob trying to run someone else up afterwards

Honestly I probably still shouldn't have, because on the off-chance I don't get limmed today it weakens (or makes it completely ineffective, I'm not an expert on it) the hypoclaim plan.

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Didn't mean to submit yet.

And since I am VT, if I do get limmed you get the same info. So me claiming actually did nothing but hurt chances :/

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Good game all!