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Votecount 2-VII

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.

Dannflor (4 = E-2):

ssbm_Kyouko, JacksonVirgo, Katsuki, Black

Gamma Emerald (1):

Dannflor

Black (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (5):

Hu Tao, KittyTacky, davesaz, camelCasedSnivy, Thomith

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-15 23:15:09).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here

[Katsuki]

You already said you scumread me, and you mentioned you didn't want to push the person due to the game state and I think you're referring to a few people townreading me

What I don't understand is if you think I'm scum and you're town then why would you not push me? You seem content with just hopping on the Naerys wagon instead

Out of those wagons, I think she is the most likely to flip scum, and that her flip provides the most information.

Where is all this information you were supposed to gain from the Naerys flip?

Things have changed since pg15, 3 days into D1. My read progressed to DE scum, and as of present that's still the case. She was not my lead nom candidate, but her play towards the end of the day was nonsensical enough to justify deadline wagoning, and voting for her at that point in time gave me a chance to potentially have time to post again before day end if circumstances changed (eg. PR claim wagon shift). I'm still not done looking over the game yet to determine what her flipping town means for my reads.

[Katsuki]

We didn't have a night kill last night. I want to make sure it's clear if kyouko is claiming a guilty on dragon that our doc if we have one should be on kyouko

Even if she's not claiming guilty on dragon, our protective role should be on her anyways. Kyouko town is a strong town asset.

[Dannflor]

black seems town this game

hu tao seems like scum

[Dannflor]

gamma is town for rhyming

[Katsuki]

Okay. I'm not going to try and tip toe around this anymore.

Kyouko do you have a guilty on dragon or no?

No, I wouldn't have investigated Dragon and I'm usually the type to just come out with it if I have a guilty rather than play the "I really think it's them" game

Unfortunate, you had a chance to. I was heavily tempted to claim a fake guilty on Dragon today, but it would not have been a good idea to.

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma is town for rhyming

why??? That was a point of contention time-of

[Dannflor]

I'm joking i just thought the rhyme was cute

[Gamma Emerald]

okay…

[Dannflor]

oh it's not just one post

[Black]

I think Katsuki is scummy

Mainly it seems like she has zero interest in convincing others that her scumreads are scum. I've been her strongest scumread for pretty much the entire game but she hasn't pushed me at all. She hasn't even questioned anyone else's townreads on me. It doesn't really feel like her scumread is as strong as she says it is. I think it could be a fake read

She didn't seem to have any issue with the Dragon wagon falling apart D1 despite comments like this:

I still think that Dragon is most likely to flip scum out of the leading nom candidates based off of a number of factors. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there's a good chance he is the strongest PR the wolves have.

I still think that Dragon is most likely to flip scum out of the leading nom candidates based off of a number of factors. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there's a good chance he is the strongest PR the wolves have.

Her confidence in these reads doesn't match her actions and reactions to things. She should be more concerned about people's townreads on me if she's sure I'm scum, and she should have fought more to keep the Dragon wagon going if she was of the belief that he was the best fade. Instead she just kinda faded into non-existence

She's not fighting for what she believes in and that makes me think she doesn't really believe in these things. She's just playing from the background

[Black]

Whoops. One of those quotes should be:

I am still of the opinion that Dragon has a high probability to flip scum here, and provides us the most information pertaining to the alignment of other players to crack this game wide open.

[Dannflor]

is this a sudden thought black or something that has been stewing for a while

[Katsuki]

I think Katsuki is scummy

Mainly it seems like she has zero interest in convincing others that her scumreads are scum. I've been her strongest scumread for pretty much the entire game but she hasn't pushed me at all. She hasn't even questioned anyone else's townreads on me. It doesn't really feel like her scumread is as strong as she says it is. I think it could be a fake read

She didn't seem to have any issue with the Dragon wagon falling apart D1 despite comments like this:

I still think that Dragon is most likely to flip scum out of the leading nom candidates based off of a number of factors. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there's a good chance he is the strongest PR the wolves have.

I still think that Dragon is most likely to flip scum out of the leading nom candidates based off of a number of factors. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there's a good chance he is the strongest PR the wolves have.

Her confidence in these reads doesn't match her actions and reactions to things. She should be more concerned about people's townreads on me if she's sure I'm scum, and she should have fought more to keep the Dragon wagon going if she was of the belief that he was the best fade. Instead she just kinda faded into non-existence

She's not fighting for what she believes in and that makes me think she doesn't really believe in these things. She's just playing from the background

Well, it sure is a great thing that I'm getting my dragon wagon now then! ^_^

[Black]

is this a sudden thought black or something that has been stewing for a while

I've been going back and forth on her slot, but this particular thought has been stewing awhile. I called her out on her lack of action towards me quite a bit D1

[Katsuki]

is this a sudden thought black or something that has been stewing for a while

nah shes been throwing sprinkles of suspicion my way all game now. Gotta keep reapplying the paint of scumminess on me to keep it fresh.

[Dannflor]

is this a sudden thought black or something that has been stewing for a while

I've been going back and forth on her slot, but this particular thought has been stewing awhile. I called her out on her lack of action towards me quite a bit D1

so like why the timing on supporting the wagon on me at the same time? the vibe I'm getting is that I'm like katsuki's pet scum read and i don't understand why you're moving to want to support that at the same time as casing a katsuki!scum world

do you have an independent read on my slot or think that we're partnered or anything

[Dannflor]

to be blunt, i am worried that 1385 followed to soon after 1361 means you are preparing to throw katsuki under the bus for my elimination

[Black]

is this a sudden thought black or something that has been stewing for a while

I've been going back and forth on her slot, but this particular thought has been stewing awhile. I called her out on her lack of action towards me quite a bit D1

so like why the timing on supporting the wagon on me at the same time? the vibe I'm getting is that I'm like katsuki's pet scum read and i don't understand why you're moving to want to support that at the same time as casing a katsuki!scum world

do you have an independent read on my slot or think that we're partnered or anything

Yeah I have a tinfoil that she's trying to bus you in order to turbolim me

Your focus on this and you asking this question makes me want to believe it even more

[Katsuki]

People usually don't get to e-1 that fast unless there is a guilty.

That's not true, when I played at least.

I'd be willing at this point in time to stake for later game reference that the votes of Kyouko, GE, Jackson and Katsuki were probably all town.

(no ones probably going to look back on this deeper into the game anyways but ya never know)

[Black]

to be blunt, i am worried that 1385 followed to soon after 1361 means you are preparing to throw katsuki under the bus for my elimination

I think you're more likely to be scum than her but yeah I think you could definitely be partnered

[Dannflor]

Your focus on this and you asking this question makes me want to believe it even more

yes i am focused on how people are playing around my wagon

[davesaz]

Gamma doesn't assume I have a guilty if she knows you're town, which she would know if she were scum and you were town. Therefore if you are town, she can't be scum. I'm not as sure on this as I am on how I read Gamma but I'm pretty sure this is the way she would think

I think this reasoning is wrong. If Dragon and Gamma are both scum, scum!Gamma would certainly see it as a guilty, and probably not say anything about it initially, and then perhaps mention it if pressed on the reaction to Hu Tao -- because if scum then Gamma needs to line up some players to have legit reasons to scumread.

I don't think this is the case, because I also see the "heinous" thing as a likely town!Gamma tell.

pedit: things are getting lively, 5 more posts while I wrote that

[Dannflor]

im actually town reading ccs 12 pages in which basically never happens lol

[Katsuki]

is this a sudden thought black or something that has been stewing for a while

I've been going back and forth on her slot, but this particular thought has been stewing awhile. I called her out on her lack of action towards me quite a bit D1

so like why the timing on supporting the wagon on me at the same time? the vibe I'm getting is that I'm like katsuki's pet scum read and i don't understand why you're moving to want to support that at the same time as casing a katsuki!scum world

do you have an independent read on my slot or think that we're partnered or anything

Yeah I have a tinfoil that she's trying to bus you in order to turbolim me

Your focus on this and you asking this question makes me want to believe it even more

Sounds like a great trade for town, especially if I'm supplying the wolf nom first!

Here, I decorated this tinfoil hat just for you!

Spoiler: This is totally shiny and aluminum btw