Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]
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DeasVail he/himSurvivorhe/him
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I do think that the effort put into disproving that I am "agreeable" might be a townie thing though.-
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we have less than a day left now so i want everybody on a coalition.-
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In post 495, Appearance wrote:
i mean, what has t3 done this whole phase?In post 491, DragonEater70 wrote:
This point is going to look really really funny if you are town and DV is scum and then we win by swapping you and DV for Kyo and Ydra.In post 483, Klick wrote: From my perspective we've already mindmelded several times and I'm fairly annoyed that we've gone from likely winning to the current position off of you getting antsy
It would look even funnier if all four of you are town and the scumteam is exactly T3/implo but idk if that's the case.
tbh i'm all for you including ydra and kyo in the coalition.In post 496, Appearance wrote: but at this point, it's very likely t3 is either scum or dead weight.
????In post 497, Appearance wrote: so, it would not surprise me if scum is exactly t3/implo.
I'm probably misreading this but are you saying you think it's implo/T3 simply because T3 is either scum or dead weight, and you arbitrarily decided he's scum rather than dead weight?-
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it's also partially poe based since t3 is null at best for me.In post 502, DragonEater70 wrote:In post 495, Appearance wrote:
i mean, what has t3 done this whole phase?In post 491, DragonEater70 wrote:
This point is going to look really really funny if you are town and DV is scum and then we win by swapping you and DV for Kyo and Ydra.In post 483, Klick wrote: From my perspective we've already mindmelded several times and I'm fairly annoyed that we've gone from likely winning to the current position off of you getting antsy
It would look even funnier if all four of you are town and the scumteam is exactly T3/implo but idk if that's the case.
tbh i'm all for you including ydra and kyo in the coalition.In post 496, Appearance wrote: but at this point, it's very likely t3 is either scum or dead weight.
????In post 497, Appearance wrote: so, it would not surprise me if scum is exactly t3/implo.
I'm probably misreading this but are you saying you think it's implo/T3 simply because T3 is either scum or dead weight, and you arbitrarily decided he's scum rather than dead weight?
dv/klick/kyo are townleans.
ydra/elements/you are town.
that leaves t3/implo as scum.-
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as in this is where my reads are rn.In post 503, Appearance wrote:
it's also partially poe based since t3 is null at best for me.In post 502, DragonEater70 wrote:In post 495, Appearance wrote:
i mean, what has t3 done this whole phase?In post 491, DragonEater70 wrote:
This point is going to look really really funny if you are town and DV is scum and then we win by swapping you and DV for Kyo and Ydra.In post 483, Klick wrote: From my perspective we've already mindmelded several times and I'm fairly annoyed that we've gone from likely winning to the current position off of you getting antsy
It would look even funnier if all four of you are town and the scumteam is exactly T3/implo but idk if that's the case.
tbh i'm all for you including ydra and kyo in the coalition.In post 496, Appearance wrote: but at this point, it's very likely t3 is either scum or dead weight.
????In post 497, Appearance wrote: so, it would not surprise me if scum is exactly t3/implo.
I'm probably misreading this but are you saying you think it's implo/T3 simply because T3 is either scum or dead weight, and you arbitrarily decided he's scum rather than dead weight?
dv/klick/kyo are townleans.
ydra/elements/you are town.
that leaves t3/implo as scum.-
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of course if the coalition with klick/dv does fail, then i'm open to be proven wrong.-
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Ydrasse has been prodded. She has 24 hours to post before I begin searching for a replacement.-
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Implosion/T3/Kyouko is where my hard PoE lies atm
I don't feel 100% about Ydrasse since she's kinda dropped off the face of the planet but we have to get 5/7-
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This is what I'm seeing and interpreting as scum motivatedIn post 499, DeasVail wrote: I'm not certain that your posting is from a scum place, Kyouko, but I think that there is a lack of thinking about the reasons behind the behaviour of mine that has bothered you, beyond the thought that "DV does thing I don't like = scum". This could be town relying on pattern recognition scumhunting, or scum trying to push through with reasoning for a scumread, I'm not sure.
It feels like either a conscious choice or at least a particularly closed mind when it comes to the DV read-
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The problem is that my townread on you is based on things that are inherent to knowing you wellIn post 499, DeasVail wrote:I do understand that this sort of thing can make the game less fun for others, and so I haven't wanted things to become too... "cliquey" (lol), but it is probably natural that I would interact with him a little differently.
I think you're talking like you're a jury member and not like you're about to gently slide a knife in my back
It's a comfort and confidence thing. But your posting style looks like it could be not-those-things to people with less context on you-
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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Dragon, I understand your frustration at me if you're town but tbh I'm just tired. Your play toward me has been tiring to deal with. If you are town I respect your play toward me but I hope you can understand how it's been really demotivating. I don't really have much interest in hard declaring who I think scum in the coalition is until after it fails. I'm not confident in my reads this game by and large. Hell, it's entirely possible the coalition is passing with like t3/kyouko as scum, it just seems far too easy.
Idk. I'll be more engaged after the coalition fails, because at that point I'll have political capital (as dragoneater might bonk me for saying) or if it doesn't then I will have played this game optimally in the sense of effort put in for victory to come out. I feel like if I were scum here with someone on coalition I would have much more reason to effort since how I'm perceived would be a massive part of my team winning (since scum off coalition is positioned to win much better than scum on). Or if I were scum without my partner on coalition then obviously i'd need to do something >_>In post 388, Klick wrote: Scum!implosion likes using valid points to push an agenda
Frankly I think town!implosion tries to push his own opinion here
I feel like implosion is trying to give little away
It is definitely an accurate portrayal of part of my scumgame that I try to use valid points though I kind of go with the flow/try to emulate my town game more often than I really have a distinct agenda. But the validity of what I say is almost definitely not really correlated with my alignment.
I'm pretty slow to vanity vote in most games and voting for a coalition of me/elements/ydrasse/klick/someone (which is where i'm at right now) is like an ultimate vanity vote lolAppearance" wrote:i kinda feel like at this point, even demotivated town would want to get a coalition out there.
Since deadline is soon I'll help hammer something if someone on a coalition is refusing to vote, particularly if it has elements/ydrasse/klick-
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Basically if those three are in it then I'd at least feel better about d1/d2 hunting
It is possible Klick is deepwolfing, I think the method of consistent effort they're putting in here and the persistence to their approach to the phase is really rarely scum though. If they're scum they're playing very well-
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Tbh I missed that deadline is in less than a day until now but I will probably vote for something soon, probably after catching upIn post 408, Appearance wrote: fmpov town!implo puts aside his pride and votes for a coalition, instead of what he's been doing rn-
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Yeah I tend to believe thisIn post 425, Klick wrote: The accurate reason I'm town here is because I have high presence and interest and it shows through my posting
This whole post feels like really bad logic reasons to think Klick is scum similar to the early points kyouko made on Dragoneater. I feel like that phrasing is a natural outcropping of Klick being somewhat of a town leader this game and that really nothing in this post sounds like there's any reason it should be scum indicative. If kyouko is town I guess she maybe just views this sort of logic differently from me, like it's not like this can't come from town.In post 440, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:"this has been established already" doesn't sound very natural to me. like the wording feels different than Klick usually sounds.
I feel like Klick should be pretty universally townread and this as reasoning + dragon's reasoning which seems to amount to "well implo looks like he might be partnered to Klick and maybe Klick is deepwolfing" are just, bad imo.-
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I feel all muddled and I don't have much time to devote left in this phase
I will also be able to hammer stuff-
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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My eyes are sort of starting to glaze over
I feel like this game is being fairly dominated by teaming ideas and that worries me. A lot of logic seems to hinge on who is a likely partner for me (granted not all of it, but a significant amount) and more generally on what teams would lead to the dynamic we have right now, and I tend to think that's something that's relatively gameable as scum. I'm sort of tired of giving the numbers rant but the odds of guessing the scumteam d1 are a priori 1/28, which is not good. I think it's fine to exclude particular scumteams people are worried about like me/kyouko/t3 but if the coalition fails then I think it's important to deprioritize that kind of viewing the game. I sort of vibe with DV's description of wanting the game to have more town-finding (though it doesn't specifically make me think DV is town).-
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It's sort of unclear to me what the actual viable coalitions are right now. I'd be fine with something with Klick but without DV but to Dragon it feels like they're a package deal-
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DragonEater70 He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Considering I am not even voting and am generally waiting to be persuaded rather than doing the persuasion, I'd appreciate if you ignore what I thonk and just nom the coalition you want.In post 516, implosion wrote: It's sort of unclear to me what the actual viable coalitions are right now. I'd be fine with something with Klick but without DV but to Dragon it feels like they're a package deal-
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HEAL: Klick, Dragoneater, Elements, DeasVail, Appearance
To know where I'm at. I'll be prepared to change things around-
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Lol
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DragonEater70 He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Alright Klick
I have an idea
You said your hard PoE is Kyo/T3/implo
What do you say about a coal of dragon/app/el/dv/ydra?
Then I won't have the paranoia about you and I am even going to as far as to say I will town lock you if it fails, if it's any consolation.
Pedit: no Klick is just too towny I can't resist having him in the coalition-
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Why lol? That's what I was pushing on pages 6-14
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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HEAL: Elements, Klick, Ydrasse, Dragon, Appearance
Split on whether I'd prefer Appearance or Deasvail in a void right now. I'd definitely vote for this with Appearance->Deasvail. If the version without Ydrasse is the prevailing preference then eh w/e probably-
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DragonEater70 He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Okay
Klick I don't want a reason to think you are town. Can you give me a reason why I should just have faith in our coalition (including DV)?-
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Hmmmm explainIn post 522, implosion wrote: HEAL: Elements, Klick, Ydrasse, Dragon, Appearance
Split on whether I'd prefer Appearance or Deasvail in a void right now. I'd definitely vote for this with Appearance->Deasvail. If the version without Ydrasse is the prevailing preference then eh w/e probably
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