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[Thomith]

Fuck it
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kyouko

P-edit: Well now it looks like I'm just sheeping...

[Dannflor]

VOTE: kyouko

[Katsuki]

Cute.

[Katsuki]

That's all it is really, just not thinking all 3 scum would risk voting together on a misfade. I don't think it's super common. I know Dann linked a game but I feel like that's the exception, not the rule. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong here if anyone has more compelling evidence. I've only been playing for a year

I've certainly played a game before where my entire scumteam just voted as a 4-man scumblock (then 3) all game long.

VCA with 1 flip is a pretty fruitless endeavor regardless.

[Black]

Fuck it
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kyouko

P-edit: Well now it looks like I'm just sheeping...

Nice mindmeld

[Black]

That's all it is really, just not thinking all 3 scum would risk voting together on a misfade. I don't think it's super common. I know Dann linked a game but I feel like that's the exception, not the rule. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong here if anyone has more compelling evidence. I've only been playing for a year

I've certainly played a game before where my entire scumteam just voted as a 4-man scumblock (then 3) all game long.

VCA with 1 flip is a pretty fruitless endeavor regardless.

I never said it doesn't happen, just that it is very rare in my experience

[Gamma Emerald]

Thinking on it, my issue with how Hu Tao engages me specifically is twofold: she seems to form a read on very little evidence and rarely shift from that initial read, which would not be extremely aggravating if they didn’t end up scumreading me a majority of the time.

Do you not think Katsuki is doing the exact same thing though? Her reads are the most static out of anyone in the game

Or do you just not have an issue with her when she does it because she townreads you

I haven’t really focused on what katsuki’s done because it hasn’t bothered me on the same level.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It's not that I don't think it's unlikely, I just see a world where the narrative where all 3 scum couldn't have been on the wagon could be a narrative potentially spread by scum, simply because of how it was almost taken as a fact, with only really you giving anything more to the argument (by you saying you TR enough of the people on-wagon to suspect not all scum were there).

No one said all three scum

can't

be on the wagon though. And iirc is was just me, kyouko, and Gamma saying that we didn't think it was likely? I could be misremembering here and my lunch break is over in 1 minutes so I can't really go look

That sounds right, I was and still am surprised the concept is met with as much resistance as it has been. It feels like very common sense to me. Like yeah, scum

could

have all 3 been on Naerys' wagon, but how often does that really happen? I know we all like to think that the big bad wolf team is ganging together to mislim us but in practice that almost never happens. I think Dann's example is the first time I've ever seen a 3p team all on a D1/D2 wagon. Teams of 2 sometimes band together in micros, but all 3 in a mini seems very very unlikely

[Gamma Emerald]

It's not that I don't think it's unlikely, I just see a world where the narrative where all 3 scum couldn't have been on the wagon could be a narrative potentially spread by scum, simply because of how it was almost taken as a fact, with only really you giving anything more to the argument (by you saying you TR enough of the people on-wagon to suspect not all scum were there).

No one said all three scum

can't

be on the wagon though. And iirc is was just me, kyouko, and Gamma saying that we didn't think it was likely? I could be misremembering here and my lunch break is over in 1 minutes so I can't really go look

I’m not in as deep as you or kyouko on that idea but I do think that it takes more effort to justify all scum being on the wagon than it does to justify 1 or 2 being on it

[Dannflor]

this argument is not productive tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Would rather not see Kyouko eliminated today

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Dannflor

[Dannflor]

bzzzzt incorrect

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you voting kyouko? If you scumread her, what’s your case?

[Hu Tao]

Thinking on it, my issue with how Hu Tao engages me specifically is twofold: she seems to form a read on very little evidence and rarely shift from that initial read, which would not be extremely aggravating if they didn’t end up scumreading me a majority of the time.

This has nothing to do with you specifically. I gave a group of 5 people I'd be willing to vote. Stop trying to make things personal please.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: kyouko

Yeah, I'm fine with voting her out today

[Gamma Emerald]

Thinking on it, my issue with how Hu Tao engages me specifically is twofold: she seems to form a read on very little evidence and rarely shift from that initial read, which would not be extremely aggravating if they didn’t end up scumreading me a majority of the time.

This has nothing to do with you specifically. I gave a group of 5 people I'd be willing to vote. Stop trying to make things personal please.

you've barely justified the read outside of that + disliking my reaction to the fake vig. So it's not really personal in that post.

[davesaz]

Did anyone ever explain why we are convinced there is 1 scum off wagon?

I don't think any scum team is stupid enough to all vote the same. Straight forward enough for you?

[Thomith]

Did anyone ever explain why we are convinced there is 1 scum off wagon?

I don't think any scum team is stupid enough to all vote the same. Straight forward enough for you?

Why would it be stupid to all vote the same?

[davesaz]

VOTE: Naerys
Time is too short to do much thumb twiddling. We need to make some kind of progress at generating higher wagon numbers so at least that will be available.

Ngl this vote bothers me: there was like 48 hours left at this point? And why Naerys?

For big wagons to be useful they have to happen with enough time to generate movement. Big wagons are utterly necessary if you plan to use voting patterns. Small wagons don't cause panic.
Naerys was highest count at the time.
Any more silly questions?

[davesaz]

Did anyone ever explain why we are convinced there is 1 scum off wagon?

I don't think any scum team is stupid enough to all vote the same. Straight forward enough for you?

Why would it be stupid to all vote the same?

Patterns like that are easy to see. Someone posted remembering a game where scum did all vote together -- I think I'd notice that if it did happen. Provided I lived long enough to notice...

[davesaz]

pedit @JV: Sorry, I'd share where I am with the last few pages but I'm thinking bed looks really nice right now because I have an 8am call tomorrow.

Can you get to this yet?

I tunneled hard on work the last couple days.

[Dannflor]

Why are you voting kyouko? If you scumread her, what’s your case?

i don't have a case

im just not town reading her and would like to get a wagon going on someone I'm not town reading

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you voting kyouko? If you scumread her, what’s your case?

i don't have a case

im just not town reading her and would like to get a wagon going on someone I'm not town reading

why you getting so sassy about me voting you then?

[davesaz]

Reading those pages again didn't do anything to reload what I was thinking at the time.

Dannflor is more concrete to me than Dragon was.
It bothered me quite a lot to see multiple people continue to refer to Dragon as if Dann wasn't here.
Thomith sure seems invested a lot in excluding a set of off-wagon people from consideration. Why can't all scum be on wagon is not the right question to ask. The correct question to ask is why not also look for people on the wagon.