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PleaseIn post 548, Klick wrote: It might be an appropriate time to pull out my l33t decision-making theory if no one feels super confident-
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Relevant reading: viewtopic.php?t=90488
In the above thread I discuss this in terms of when town is in a losing situation, but I think it also applies generally and would probably help hereThere are times when it's in town's best interest to choose to abandon the majority vote - even abandon voting according to their own reads - in the interest of increasing the chances of them getting scum lims through.
The basic theory is that:decisions made by 100% town (or higher-probability town) are more likely to be accurate than decisions made by a group of players that is not 100% town (or lower-probability town).
Applied to this situation: most of us seem to agree that DragonEater is just town; furthermore, I think DragonEater's actual decision-making on this decision is sufficiently unpredictable that taking this course of action isn't obviously biased in any particular direction. What I propose is that we delegate the coalition decision to specifically DragonEater, and sheep it disregarding personal reads. The idea being that DragonEater is more likely to hit 5-town on his own than through the influence of the rest of us in this gamestate.-
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In post 548, Klick wrote: It might be an appropriate time to pull out my l33t decision-making theory if no one feels super confident
Assuming the latter relates to the former, I'm curious where this goes (because it feels like it's going to mechs that I've missed in the past)In post 549, Klick wrote: Do we generally agree outside of implosion that DragonEater is just town?
Also ydra posting makes me nervey about Appearance againP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Oh I was on the phone (like a phone call not phoneposting) and you already got there while I was talking.
Not locking in anything at all is worse than letting one person decide the coalition - if it comes down to deadline I'm fine with sheeping whatever Dragon puts down.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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theoretically I think Klick's point stands just because scum are going to not want to lim themselves obviously so like, of course you're more likely to hit scum by letting town take the reigns.
Here though we don't lose if we get it wrong, only scum stands to lose if they get it "wrong" by not getting themself or their buddy in, so in the end it doesn't matter all that much what we lock in as long as something gets locked inP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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I think that's the towniest post you've posted so far haha
That feels like a very town mindset to have about it
I disagree that it doesn't matter much but I understand what you mean by it-
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Hey I remember reading this article and thinking it was pretty coolIn post 552, Klick wrote: Relevant reading: viewtopic.php?t=90488
In the above thread I discuss this in terms of when town is in a losing situation, but I think it also applies generally and would probably help hereThere are times when it's in town's best interest to choose to abandon the majority vote - even abandon voting according to their own reads - in the interest of increasing the chances of them getting scum lims through.
The basic theory is that:decisions made by 100% town (or higher-probability town) are more likely to be accurate than decisions made by a group of players that is not 100% town (or lower-probability town).
Applied to this situation: most of us seem to agree that DragonEater is just town; furthermore, I think DragonEater's actual decision-making on this decision is sufficiently unpredictable that taking this course of action isn't obviously biased in any particular direction. What I propose is that we delegate the coalition decision to specifically DragonEater, and sheep it disregarding personal reads. The idea being that DragonEater is more likely to hit 5-town on his own than through the influence of the rest of us in this gamestate.-
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Also I was about to call it an early night right now but then remembered there was a deadline.-
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Can you like let me know in the next 20 minutes if we're sheeping me or not? Because if not I'm just gonna go to sleep and count on somebody else to hammer as needed.-
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Sorry that probably came out as entitled, but the truth is I'm just tired and want to sleep rn.-
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Ty for not doing that then!
I'm probably getting a relatively early night myself after the kids are asleep
PEdit: I mean I'm in favor of it
I've cut this a bit close and no one is around-
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Yeah it is a bit close
Kyo will you hammer the coalition that's currently at C-1 if nobody else shows up in time?-
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See the problem is everyone except implo and T3 is really towny
And I am kinda refusing to believe the game is just this easy, though maybe it really is this easy.
It's funny Klick that I feel if Bella was in your slot I would have had so much easier time being confident in my town read of your slot. I mean it's funny because I was thinking about her without making the connection in my mind.-
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Ugh
I wanna sleep
Should I just hammer? Assuming Klick re-votes.-
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Well maybe we assume implo/T3 is scum
And then if we're wrong about that, our coalition choice is intended to exclude the most likely scum outside of implo/T3-
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HEAL: Klick, DragonEater70, Elements, Appearance, DeasVail
I think this is 5 town. But I'll approve anything that doesn't have implo/T3-
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Like I think Ydrasse is also a reasonable choice here and I understand the why on Kyouko-
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Why did you make this post KlickIn post 74, Klick wrote:
Distancing? DragonEater ended our earlier exchange with a townread on me, and my stated read on DragonEater is ambiguous atm. I don't see how you come out of it thinking it looks like distancing.In post 68, DeasVail wrote:
this was actually something I was thinking too.In post 53, Appearance wrote: tbh i'm scared of scum distancing in this setup.
Was it klick/dragoneater that pinged you as a potential distance as well, or more of a general fear?
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Part of the reason I'm happy with relinquishing responsibility here is because I also feel a little weird about just declaring it {implo, T3, Kyouko} and think that could just mean I'm wrong somewhere
I don't think the somewhere is DV but who knows-
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Because I was confused at how DV could have interpreted our interaction as distancingIn post 569, DragonEater70 wrote:
Why did you make this post KlickIn post 74, Klick wrote:
Distancing? DragonEater ended our earlier exchange with a townread on me, and my stated read on DragonEater is ambiguous atm. I don't see how you come out of it thinking it looks like distancing.In post 68, DeasVail wrote:
this was actually something I was thinking too.In post 53, Appearance wrote: tbh i'm scared of scum distancing in this setup.
Was it klick/dragoneater that pinged you as a potential distance as well, or more of a general fear?
Wow I sound like Dannflor. At least I think I do.
It didn't match how I saw the situation and I thought DV could have been projecting his interpretation there as scum to try and undermine you/me when we were otherwise being pretty towny all around-
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See this is a classically town!Klick post, but also I could see it as partnered with DVIn post 120, Klick wrote:
I want to understand what your thoughts are about Dragon atm.In post 97, DeasVail wrote: Town
Kyouko
Elements
Ydrasse
T3
Klick
Appearance
Dragon
Implosion
Scum
^this is a rough indication of my reads right now
But this Klick doing his own thing rather than trying to appeal to his town reads, which is towny.In post 148, Klick wrote: HEAL: Klick
HEAL: Ydrasse
HEAL: DeasVail
HEAL: DragonEater70
@ the three of you: I'm less interested in discussing everyone else, and more interested in discussing why this group is pure. We can work out an ideal fifth shortly, but I want to iron out confidence in this as a group first. I feel not certain, but fairly confident that this group is pure, and I think discussing the details of that is the best use of our thread space.
(but not right now because I'm getting ready for work)In post 147, DeasVail wrote:In post 135, Prism wrote:In post 26, Appearance wrote: btw, i just realised my browser messes up the font that prism uses for the vcsJust checking: Is the latest VC readable for everyone?
Most mobile browsers render a different font than the one I use, which is fine by me, but if the VC is mangled or difficult to parse, let me know and I'll switch it up.
It’s been fine for me!
Also miscellaneous thoughts:
Klick moved up in my reads a bit because of him saying that he’d been ambiguous about his read on Dragon, at a time when I think he had only really expressed a scumread there. I think this is more likely from town because scum are more likely to be hyper-aware of the “positions” they are taking on people while town are more likely to believe that because theyfeltambiguous about someone it would come across in their posts.
On implosion, there are specific ways in which I feel he has tried to look town, but I want to give implosion a chance to be able to properly engage with the game (and also see whether the things concerning me continue) before going all in on that.
When I go through my townreads (which I have too many of, I know), the one that least holds up to scrutiny at the moment is T3. I was doubting Appearance for a while but looking back I feel like the backtracking by saying that maybe Klick/Dragon didn’t look like distancing was more likely consistent with townie lack of confidence. Still not sure though, because the T3 read in particular doesn’t feel proactive, as if they’re taking the fact that T3 will be in the coalition as a given and not questioning it, but again… could be town struggling with confidence in their reads.
Also these reads don't feel fakeIn post 175, DeasVail wrote:In post 165, implosion wrote:In post 163, Klick wrote: @implosion: Then what do you think of my post which was basically the same thing?
Your post is rhetorically very different and also I think your group has a much higher chance of being all town
I am confused, am I missing something?
This is actually town, right? DV was confused like me because like me he wasn't informed of people's alignments while reading this.In post 178, DeasVail wrote:In post 176, DragonEater70 wrote:In post 168, Klick wrote: Conflict isn't the friction that causes readable gamestates
Genuine engagement is
That's what I feel is lacking
I'll answer what you want though:
Feel pretty okay on you and VD, I would like you to sell me on Ydra though.
Like I think in a vacuum her posting is towny, BUT Ithinkfor her specifically it's NAI? I haven't ever played with her but I read a scum game and a town game of hers and couldn't really tell the difference.
Hey implosion and I have started the weird pseudo-conflict dance, give it time
I feel it'd be kinda weird to post this about your scum partner
Pedit: okay I believe you Klick-
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