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[Dannflor]

i think ive been holding back tbh for how sick i am of people not bothering to read me because it's too hard

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Naerys
Time is too short to do much thumb twiddling. We need to make some kind of progress at generating higher wagon numbers so at least that will be available.

Ngl this vote bothers me: there was like 48 hours left at this point? And why Naerys?

For big wagons to be useful they have to happen with enough time to generate movement. Big wagons are utterly necessary if you plan to use voting patterns. Small wagons don't cause panic.
Naerys was highest count at the time.
Any more silly questions?

your vote directly led to the premature elimination that occurred. This response feels like you don't want to be held accountable for that.

[Thomith]

Reading those pages again didn't do anything to reload what I was thinking at the time.

Dannflor is more concrete to me than Dragon was.
It bothered me quite a lot to see multiple people continue to refer to Dragon as if Dann wasn't here.
Thomith sure seems invested a lot in excluding a set of off-wagon people from consideration. Why can't all scum be on wagon is not the right question to ask. The correct question to ask is why not also look for people on the wagon.

How is what I'm doing any different from people who only want to look off wagon?

[davesaz]

Hu Tao, your towngame is one of the worst on this site currently. This is dead serious.

Why?

You seem to recognize the holes in it but I don’t see jack shit from you to patch them. You also consistently go down the most idiotic rabbit holes of logic.

I have no idea what you're talking about here. This seems to come out of the blue. What triggered 1751?

Did you miss the last page?

I saw it almost in real time, at least in terms of how I was reading at the time, and it didn't initially seem that odd to me.
To borrow your terminology, 1751 is getting toward the direction of being more than 100% relative to the prior page events.

[davesaz]

Reading those pages again didn't do anything to reload what I was thinking at the time.

Dannflor is more concrete to me than Dragon was.
It bothered me quite a lot to see multiple people continue to refer to Dragon as if Dann wasn't here.
Thomith sure seems invested a lot in excluding a set of off-wagon people from consideration. Why can't all scum be on wagon is not the right question to ask. The correct question to ask is why not also look for people on the wagon.

How is what I'm doing any different from people who only want to look off wagon?

I don't know who is saying look only off wagon. I see some preference for looking there first, in comparison to a preference for not looking there at all. Or at least that's how I'm interpreting what I'm seeing.

[davesaz]

VOTE: Naerys
Time is too short to do much thumb twiddling. We need to make some kind of progress at generating higher wagon numbers so at least that will be available.

Ngl this vote bothers me: there was like 48 hours left at this point? And why Naerys?

For big wagons to be useful they have to happen with enough time to generate movement. Big wagons are utterly necessary if you plan to use voting patterns. Small wagons don't cause panic.
Naerys was highest count at the time.
Any more silly questions?

your vote directly led to the premature elimination that occurred. This response feels like you don't want to be held accountable for that.

A lim is needed. I don't know anyone's alignment. So I vote. I don't see any denial there.

[Thomith]

Reading those pages again didn't do anything to reload what I was thinking at the time.

Dannflor is more concrete to me than Dragon was.
It bothered me quite a lot to see multiple people continue to refer to Dragon as if Dann wasn't here.
Thomith sure seems invested a lot in excluding a set of off-wagon people from consideration. Why can't all scum be on wagon is not the right question to ask. The correct question to ask is why not also look for people on the wagon.

How is what I'm doing any different from people who only want to look off wagon?

I don't know who is saying look only off wagon. I see some preference for looking there first, in comparison to a preference for not looking there at all. Or at least that's how I'm interpreting what I'm seeing.

The whole day today people have been detracting from looking on wagon, to only focus on off wagon.

My tinfoil gains more likelihood if people in the 4 off wagon start flipping scum.

I've said you'll can fade me today, but when I flop town you'll should look at the people advocating for looking primarily off wagon, because it feels like it could be an agenda to hide scum on the wagon. As I said before thay agenda could even be that the scum off wagon is more widely town read, so the focus is being pushed there.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think Black's positioning around Thomith looks opportunistic here. She's been back-and-forth on him from the start of the game, most recently having him as one of the most likely scum off of the Naerys wagon. Now that Dann and Thomith are questioning that assumption she's pivoting off of it and looks to use her original idea to shift the blame onto me I think.

I still think at least one scum is amongst Thomith, JV, Dann, but the latest move by Black has me doubting her.

[Katsuki]

i think ive been holding back tbh for how sick i am of people not bothering to read me because it's too hard

Which players do you think have been doing that?

Also because I wouldn't want you to be upset, I'll say that I read you as scum.

[Dannflor]

But Dann I'm just wary of on principle. I'm not sure if I'm convinced he couldn't have the same catch-up as scum, which I say because ignoring Dragon, and taking off Dann's nameplate, I think I'd TR him.

I feel like I would lean Dann town in isolation but he’s kinda a player I just hold judgment on until most often I see a solid scumtell, I rarely feel good about Dann!town

[Dannflor]

i think ive been holding back tbh for how sick i am of people not bothering to read me because it's too hard

Which players do you think have been doing that?

Also because I wouldn't want you to be upset, I'll say that I read you as scum.

yeah i dont have a problem with you

[Dannflor]

at least i think if you're scum the way you're playing and presenting yourself today is pretty counter-intuitive and not likely to allow you to endgame

[Katsuki]

I'd be surprised if I lived until endgame tbh

[Dannflor]

yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Naerys
Time is too short to do much thumb twiddling. We need to make some kind of progress at generating higher wagon numbers so at least that will be available.

Ngl this vote bothers me: there was like 48 hours left at this point? And why Naerys?

For big wagons to be useful they have to happen with enough time to generate movement. Big wagons are utterly necessary if you plan to use voting patterns. Small wagons don't cause panic.
Naerys was highest count at the time.
Any more silly questions?

your vote directly led to the premature elimination that occurred. This response feels like you don't want to be held accountable for that.

A lim is needed. I don't know anyone's alignment. So I vote. I don't see any denial there.

What exactly do you think was created/caused by your vote this is useful?

[Gamma Emerald]

that is useful*

[davesaz]

VOTE: Naerys
Time is too short to do much thumb twiddling. We need to make some kind of progress at generating higher wagon numbers so at least that will be available.

Ngl this vote bothers me: there was like 48 hours left at this point? And why Naerys?

For big wagons to be useful they have to happen with enough time to generate movement. Big wagons are utterly necessary if you plan to use voting patterns. Small wagons don't cause panic.
Naerys was highest count at the time.
Any more silly questions?

your vote directly led to the premature elimination that occurred. This response feels like you don't want to be held accountable for that.

A lim is needed. I don't know anyone's alignment. So I vote. I don't see any denial there.

What exactly do you think was created/caused by your vote this is useful?

Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking. Maybe some words are missing?
I'm stating why I voted, full stop. No attempt to hide it, which is what you seemed to be insinuating.
pedit: vote counts are useful. Have I been unclear about that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.

[Black]

I'd be surprised if I lived until endgame tbh

I wouldn't be

If you're wrong about Dann then that means you are endlessly tunnelled on two townies. You're no threat to scum in this scenario

[Katsuki]

I wouldn't be

If you're wrong about Dann then that means you are endlessly tunnelled on two townies. You're no threat to scum in this scenario

Mmm, quite unfortunate that I haven't been able to find a reason for you to not be scum in 374 posts.

[davesaz]

Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.

With a little work, you can determine what the vote count is after every count.
The movement of the votes is what actually matters.
A flip is productive, more productive than a no-lim.
These are extremely basic concepts. I know you understand them.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But Dann I'm just wary of on principle. I'm not sure if I'm convinced he couldn't have the same catch-up as scum, which I say because ignoring Dragon, and taking off Dann's nameplate, I think I'd TR him.

I feel like I would lean Dann town in isolation but he’s kinda a player I just hold judgment on until most often I see a solid scumtell, I rarely feel good about Dann!town

Yes I think she put it a little more eloquently than me. Black has voiced similar concerns too, I think anyone who knows of you but doesn't know how to read you well would think the same thing, it's only natural.

[Black]

I wouldn't be

If you're wrong about Dann then that means you are endlessly tunnelled on two townies. You're no threat to scum in this scenario

Mmm, quite unfortunate that I haven't been able to find a reason for you to not be scum in 374 posts.

I think that says more about you than it does me since quite a few other people have found me as town

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.

With a little work, you can determine what the vote count is after every count.
The movement of the votes is what actually matters.
A flip is productive, more productive than a no-lim.
These are extremely basic concepts. I know you understand them.

Sure I understand the concepts, I just don’t understand how you’re applying them.
How about you spell it all out for me at once.

[Alianna]

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