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[Black]

I think there's probably two scum in {Katsuki, kyouko, Gamma}

Whichever one of these three gets the most support is where I'll end up

wrong

Yeah we'll see about that

[Black]

idrc about kyouko's meta on this but it's feels full of misrepresentation and bad-faith suggestions

If you think so I'd love to hear why. My goal isn't to misrepresent or argue in bad-faith

[Gamma Emerald]

the general issue I have is you're perceiving me as far more against there being scum off the wagon/solving the slots off the wagon than I actually am, and it's impacting the way you see certain posts. My intent to hammer Dann was not as much of a turnaround as you see it since I don't think your idea is unproductive or wrong. I just am going with what I feel is right at times. The initial call to kill on the wagon was an emotional gut reaction to having had a wagon speed to completion on one of my townreads. I think at this point my feelings regarding on and off-wagon slots don't cause me to lean towards one pool or the other being extraordinarily advantageous to nuke through.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Flavorless Hell being the exception (or maybe I'm forgetting Flavorless Hell) - when I've been town with you we always 'click' at some point. That isn't happening here, because you're scum. And you really don't know my play that well if you don't think I'd vote you solely for that - this isn't only about IIOA though, that's just the first thing I noticed when I started looking into your scumgames.

Ever since you unvoted Dannflor at the last second things have started to feel off. The recent pivot around Thomith, myself, and voting on or off of the Naerys wagon piqued my interest. On D1 I thought we just had very different solves and one of us would probably readjust after some time and some flips, but now I think you're hard avoiding flipping Dragon/Dann and looking for any excuse to do it. I think if you were town you'd have let Hu Tao hammer that wagon, but that's not evidence, that's a suspicion. And now with Thomith and Dann questioning that there should be at least 1 scum on and off the Naerys wagon, you switch from voting Thomith one minute to me the next, because I also believe your assessment of the Naerys wagon was correct - that there were not 3 scum on it. No other reason - it's a blatant repositioning as the tide shifts. You don't really care who gets eliminated as long as it isn't Dann. I wouldn't be surprised if you were in on Dragon's self-voting "wagons" on D1 you were on at least one of them

[Dannflor]

are you saying you think it's me/black too kyouko

[Dannflor]

just hammer me then huh

[biancospino]

votecount

Votecount 2-XVII

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.

Dannflor (4 = E-2):

Katsuki, JacksonVirgo, camelCasedSnivy, Gamma Emerald

ssbm_Kyouko (2):

Thomith, Hu Tao

Katsuki (2):

Dannflor, Black

Black (1):

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (2):

KittyTacky, davesaz

notes

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[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Black

This was why I didn't want to seriously push Black today but I couldn't control myself. I don't want to shift attention from one scumwagon to another scumwagon only to watch them both get away at the end of the day.

We focus on dragondann first and Black's alignment will become obvious.

I'm thinking at this point her heels are dug far enough in that either flip will damn the other. I'm still for a Dann lim but we've had opportunity for it to get hammered and Black backed down when intent was given. I want to try to push this at least for a little while - it will definitely be easier to get to Dann with Black out of the way too.

[Hu Tao]

Just vote kyouko. This isn't town kyouko. When she's town she's overly town. This game she's not.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

just hammer me then huh

I was already on your wagon I couldn't... and yes it's starting to look that way. Why do you think Black is town?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Black

This was why I didn't want to seriously push Black today but I couldn't control myself. I don't want to shift attention from one scumwagon to another scumwagon only to watch them both get away at the end of the day.

We focus on dragondann first and Black's alignment will become obvious.

I'm thinking at this point her heels are dug far enough in that either flip will damn the other. I'm still for a Dann lim but we've had opportunity for it to get hammered and Black backed down when intent was given. I want to try to push this at least for a little while - it will definitely be easier to get to Dann with Black out of the way too.

the votes are on Dann, so I'd prefer that
the current goal for me is to do whatever it takes to not let an elim happen on you. There will not be 2 fail wagons on my townreads this game while I have a say in things.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just vote kyouko. This isn't town kyouko. When she's town she's overly town. This game she's not.

This is the right way to find me when I'm town but the wrong way to find me when I'm scum and you should know this already.
My towngame and my scumgame have a lot of overlap, but my scumgame does not overlap into my "overly town" play. When you see me being overly town, I am town. When you don't see it, it doesn't make me scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

disappointing read

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Dann
fine

[biancospino]

Prodding camelCasedSnivy.

[JacksonVirgo]

How is Katsuki being wagoned right now?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just vote kyouko. This isn't town kyouko. When she's town she's overly town. This game she's not.

Like correct me if I'm wrong but you've 1) never played with scum me and 2) were wrong the last time you tried this

[Katsuki]

I'm thinking at this point her heels are dug far enough in that either flip will damn the other. I'm still for a Dann lim but we've had opportunity for it to get hammered and Black backed down when intent was given. I want to try to push this at least for a little while - it will definitely be easier to get to Dann with Black out of the way too.

Sure. I think the order matters because Dann is more likely to be a PR than black, but I won't get in the way of your push.

[Black]

Just vote kyouko. This isn't town kyouko. When she's town she's overly town. This game she's not.

I agree

Dann will you move back to kyouko with me?

Kyouko did this exact move when I scumread her in Alianna's 9:12 recently. She made up a weak case and OMGUS voted me

This is scum!kyouko

VOTE: Kyouko

[Black]

How is Katsuki being wagoned right now?

You should vote kyouko with us

[Katsuki]

How is Katsuki being wagoned right now?

Scum getting desperate.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm thinking at this point her heels are dug far enough in that either flip will damn the other. I'm still for a Dann lim but we've had opportunity for it to get hammered and Black backed down when intent was given. I want to try to push this at least for a little while - it will definitely be easier to get to Dann with Black out of the way too.

Sure. I think the order matters because

Dann is more likely to be a PR than black

, but I won't get in the way of your push.

what is this based on?

[Katsuki]

Just a hunch.

Thought process is my ISO.

[JacksonVirgo]

Will be available in a few hours to catch up

[biancospino]

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