Mini Normal 2323 [There is an Inventor] | FIN

[JacksonVirgo]

Thinking about it more, I really don't like Kyo's wagon

[davesaz]

A lim is needed. I don't know anyone's alignment. So I vote. I don't see any denial there.

A nom is needed again, you should come join the town party on dragondann!

Stuff to do first, and there are 5 days.

To make this perfectly clear, I think the Dann/Dragon slot is likely to be scum and those thoughts have been strengthening across the game day and in particular the last 10 or so hours.
I have both general and specific reasons. I understand it's slightly hypocritical of me to say this as someone who strongly feels reasons should be given, but I don't want to call attention to the specifics.
Part of the time since 1984 has been spent reviewing those things to verify my memory. I'll probably crunch some more info when there is a break in the meetings tomorrow.
If someone hammers before that I won't mind, but I'm going on record with delayed intent.

[JacksonVirgo]

1984

Literally 1984

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE: Kyoko
VOTE: Dann

[Black]

weak ass meta read

Speaking of, did you get to meta-diving me? Curious what you saw

Nope

[JacksonVirgo]

I see

[Thomith]

Can we talk about that obvious fake hammer yet?

[Black]

Can we talk about that obvious fake hammer yet?

Yeah idk who he was trying to fool with that one

[JacksonVirgo]

I thought it'd be funni to do it twice lmao

[Hu Tao]

Thinking about it more, I really don't like Kyo's wagon

Trust. The people who play with her a lot say this isn't her town game

[Hu Tao]

But, I don't care if Dann goes though since he scumreads me and Dragon could have been scum anyway.

[Hu Tao]

But do I really want to hammer twice in a row?

[JacksonVirgo]

Yes, who wouldn't wanna hammer twice in a row

[Hu Tao]

It's weird cause I thought Dragon was scum. But I think Dann is townish.

[Hu Tao]

Maybe I'll hammer in an hour though

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah so there's a few things that Dann has said that had me doubting myself but realistically, looking at it for what it is I still feel pretty confident it flips red. I just think Dann is just good at getting out of things

[Gamma Emerald]

Thinking about it more, I really don't like Kyo's wagon

Trust. The people who play with her a lot say this isn't her town game

[Thomith]

Dann should probably claim?

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean realistically if he was a Town PR he would have claimed it by now, given how many times he's reached E-1

[Hu Tao]

Yeah he's probably not pr or should have claimed already

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Thinking about it more, I really don't like Kyo's wagon

Trust. The people who play with her a lot say this isn't her town game

Gamma has played with me a lot. 32 out of my 51 completed games. You've played with me I think twice, and I think 4 if you're counting ongoing games. For Black I believe the numbers are exactly the same. Thomith has played fewer still than that - and most of these games you 3 have with me have overlap so you're all probably thinking of the same games. You don't have a good idea of what my town and scum ranges are.

Spoiler:

Complete:
01. Mini Normal 1850 - VT - Eliminated Day 1 - Town Win
03. Open 659: Jungle Republic - Vanilla Townie - NKed Night 1 - Town Loss
04. Birds of Paradise - Goon - Flawless Mafia Win
05. Newbie 1764: Wind - Replaced Goon - Flawless Mafia Win
07. Open 660: White Flag - VT - Eliminated D4 - Town Loss
08. Mini 1860 - Town 1-Shot Commuter - Vigged Night 2 - Town Win
09. Micro 661: Scumteam unpick - Replaced VT - Eliminated D1 - Town Win
11. Open 663: Stack the Deck - VT - Killed Night 1 - Town Win
12. Large Normal 200 - VT - Vigged N2 - Town Win
13. Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir - VT - Vigged N3 - Town Loss
14. Mini Normal 1865 - VT - Endgamed - Town Loss
15. Code Geass - Shinichiro Tamaki (Town) - Venged D1 - Town Win
21. Mini Normal 2057 - Town Mason (Replaced Out mid-way) - Town Win
22. Mini Normal 2213 - VT - Town Loss
24. Mini Theme 2217: Owners Market Blitz - VT (elected MO) - Survived - Town Win
25. Mini Normal 2218 - Mafia Odd Night Strongman - Mafia Loss
26. Large Normal 233 - Mafia Goon - Mafia Loss
28. Mini Theme 2225: Chrono Trigger Chronicles - VT - Eliminated D1 - Town Win
30. Mini Theme 3001: Radio Buzz - Insurgent (VT) - Eliminated D4 - Town Win
32. Open 827: Dead Silence III - Town Mason - Daykilled - Town Win
33. Mini Normal 2232 - VT - Killed N2 - Town Loss
35. Large Normal 236 - Mafia 1-Shot Loud Visitor - Eliminated D1 - Mafia Loss
36. Mini Theme 2228: Isekai uPick - Akatsuki (Town Tracker/Restricted Watcher) - Survived - Town Win
37. Mini Normal 2238: (Modded by Dwlee99) - VT - Survived - Town Win
38. Mini Theme 2240: SCP uPick - Researcher (Town) Panacea - NKed Night 2 - Town Loss
40. Mini Theme 2244: 3d20 uRoll - (19, 13, 10) Cult Leader Complex Mason Finder - Killed N1 - Cult Loss
41. Mini Normal 2239: AQAtPimP - Town 2-Shot JOAT - Killed N4 - Town Loss (Vigged N_M and blocked a NK with my JOAT powers)
42. Manatee's Pokemon Large Theme - Town Azurill - Killed N1 - Town Loss
43. Large 237 - Mafia Doctor - Eliminated D1 - Mafia Loss
44. Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia - Replaced Livewire (VT) - Survived - Town Win
47. Open 893: 9:12 - Vanilla Townie - Survived - Town Win
49. Mini Theme 2320: Smuggler's Port 2 - Merchant (VT) - volunteered as tribute D1 - Town Win

I believe this to be a comprehensive compendium
of games where me and kyouko stood in the same stadium
Though I think it was a bad idea to take this measure
because looking back at mini 2238 for a split second spiked my blood pressure

It's weird cause I thought Dragon was scum. But I think Dann is townish.

This is like the same thing Gamma and I said - and similar to Black's idea on keeping Dann alive:

But Dann I'm just wary of on principle. I'm not sure if I'm convinced he couldn't have the same catch-up as scum, which I say because ignoring Dragon, and taking off Dann's nameplate, I think I'd TR him.

I feel like I would lean Dann town in isolation but he’s kinda a player I just hold judgment on until most often I see a solid scumtell, I rarely feel good about Dann!town

How well do you know Danns play Black?
Is there a world where he's catering to you so you TR him?

Yes, that world is possible

If Dann is town then I want him around. He's one of the best players on the site imo

I think if he's town then Mafia's best move is to either NK him before he solves the game or leave him alive to strike deepwolf fear into us. But the longer they leave him alive, the more likely he'll produce something that just wins us the game anyway

If he's scum then we have to cross that bridge eventually but because he's so good at being town, I think dealing with him later is a better option

[Hu Tao]

Okay I'm just going to hammer. I trust kyouko to town up more if she's town

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: dannflor

Goodnight again

[Dannflor]

sorry i tried

[Dannflor]

black and gamma - never touch

don't let katsuki end game

i still think ccs is probably town but eh im not invested enough in this game to stake my life on that read