Open 900: 7p Wilson [Endgame]

[ORAM]

VC 1.06

combined mod ISO

Doctor Drew (2):

Psyche, Aureal

Save The Dragons (2):

Black, Doctor Drew

MargotRosa (1):

Save The Dragons

Aureal (1):

tired person

Not Voting (1):

MargotRosa

With 7 alive it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination.
There are (expired on 2024-01-14 20:06:04) left in the deadline.

[Doctor Drew]

dr drew is there a reason you're voting me

I think Black is townie so I will sheep her, thought it seemed fairly clear.

Are you not concerned with Blacks vote on you as well? Or just mine

[Aureal]

I also think psyche is like, obviously town. margot is also a bit towny. the other 3 idk yet,

I don't think I can read you before we get a flip

Are you referring to me in particular or all 3 of your null reads? Also why do you think this?

i was referring to all three nulls, with an emphasis on you. the reason is your and drew's playstyle is too chaotic for me to be able to discern your alignment based on play only, and sdt's playstyle is too mild to be able to get anything out of it either. but after a flip i could probably form better reads based on how you interacted with the person who flipped.

Pre Edit: God dammit, are you and Aureal possibly both town?

if i be honest, i am not sure why, but i think black and aureal are almost never both town.

Ok, enough sweet talk. Back to scumreading and killing scum

vote aureal then.

I think my first thought about Z being Drew's partner might have been more likely correct.

[Doctor Drew]

I also think psyche is like, obviously town. margot is also a bit towny. the other 3 idk yet,

I don't think I can read you before we get a flip

Are you referring to me in particular or all 3 of your null reads? Also why do you think this?

i was referring to all three nulls, with an emphasis on you. the reason is your and drew's playstyle is too chaotic for me to be able to discern your alignment based on play only, and sdt's playstyle is too mild to be able to get anything out of it either. but after a flip i could probably form better reads based on how you interacted with the person who flipped.

Pre Edit: God dammit, are you and Aureal possibly both town?

if i be honest, i am not sure why, but i think black and aureal are almost never both town.

Ok, enough sweet talk. Back to scumreading and killing scum

vote aureal then.

I think my first thought about Z being Drew's partner might have been more likely correct.

Glad you are back

But, you have to start imagining a world where I am not scum here......just a minor spoiler for you here.

[Black]

Christ playing this game as someone who is coming back after a long absence with little knowledge of others playing is difficult as hell. Working out where the social barriers sit is hard as hell. Anyway, I'm feeling better on Drew, and mostly just wanted to see what happened if I put them E-1, as I had no solid reads, sussed the slot and figured e-1 would give me a better idea of how to think about them.

For what it's worth, I am still sick, and in a lot of pain, so that wasn't a lie lol

What makes you feel better about Drew?

[Black]

VOTE: tired person

[Save The Dragons]

dr drew is there a reason you're voting me

I think Black is townie so I will sheep her, thought it seemed fairly clear.

Are you not concerned with Blacks vote on you as well? Or just mine

black had a reason for voting me

[Doctor Drew]

dr drew is there a reason you're voting me

I think Black is townie so I will sheep her, thought it seemed fairly clear.

Are you not concerned with Blacks vote on you as well? Or just mine

black had a reason for voting me

Is sheeping another player that you are trusting not a reason?

[tired person]

i was referring to all three nulls, with an emphasis on you. the reason is your and drew's playstyle is too chaotic for me to be able to discern your alignment based on play only, and sdt's playstyle is too mild to be able to get anything out of it either. but after a flip i could probably form better reads based on how you interacted with the person who flipped

I think if one of Drew/StD flips scum then you could be a partner trying to weasel your way out of spewing them

that's a very surface level read. and quite incorrect.

VOTE: tired person

do you have a reason for that? i thought i was being transparently town here. and also, why are you townreading her?

[MargotRosa]

At the time, I thought their response to being voted to e-1 seemed townie, but looking back, I may have just been overwhelmed by the heated emotions, which I've historically been thrown off by in the past, esp when I feel like I've contributed

[Black]

do you have a reason for that?

Yes

and also, why are you townreading her?

I already talked about my Aureal read

[Black]

At the time, I thought their response to being voted to e-1 seemed townie, but looking back, I may have just been overwhelmed by the heated emotions, which I've historically been thrown off by in the past, esp when I feel like I've contributed

This is believable, but can you elaborate on what you townread about Drew's response?

[Black]

Oh wait are you saying it was Drew's heated emotions that you townread? Sorry I'm half awake lol

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: drew

[tired person]

do you have a reason for that?

Yes

that reason being?

and also, why are you townreading her?

I already talked about my Aureal read

you mean this?

I do think your bogus read on me "going silent overnight" and then posting one character is more likely to come from town. It's just such an awful point that I don't really think scum!you would use it to try to convince others I'm scum

VOTE: StD

I'll go here for now

i don't think it makes sense to ignore all the reasons she's scummy just because she had a weird read on you. if anything you should be pressuring her harder.

[Black]

you mean this?

No, 182

i don't think it makes sense to ignore all the reasons she's scummy just because she had a weird read on you. if anything you should be pressuring her harder

Can you go over all these reasons you think she's scum? If it's just 211 then I don't think these reasons are very good

[Black]

if i be honest, i am not sure why, but i think black and aureal are almost never both town

Also can you try to put this read into words if you can? Because to me it just feels like you don't like that we are both getting townread

[Psyche]

"i should do a re-read" is something i always say before i borderline flake. what should i do instead of attempting a re-read? something more purposive but still constructive

[Psyche]

ooh i have an idea ok ok ok give me while

[tired person]

sorry black but i don't usually make long winded posts but i can try for you if that's like important for you.

my reasons for thinking aureal is scum are pretty simple.
1. her tone feels forced and it feels like she's trying to portray a character of an uninformed and paranoid towny but not like she really is one.
2. i felt that her level of surprise at early reads was unnatural, and that the early reads she was surprised about were natural.
3. i think it's pretty obvious she isn't trying to solve considering she literally decided zebedee was scum before he even posted, and continues to think i am scum without trying to actually evaluate my posting at all. additionally, she had no reads except that a non-poster was scum on page 5. where everyone else had expressed some sort of read and attempt to sort. instead she only asks questions about other people's reads but doesn't really sort ppl.
3.5. to explain this more in detail, i don't feel her questions are meant to sort anyone as much as discredit and/or blend in by asking questions (that don't lead anywhere).
4. pushing/discrediting you for the very natural thing of forgetting a non-poster is not exactly how i'd expect a towny to react.
5. this is not really a reason to think she's scum but i don't think having a bad read on you (regarding your sleep) should make her towny. i could definitely see her as scum not knowing what to do so making up a weird and convoluted read.

[tired person]

if i be honest, i am not sure why, but i think black and aureal are almost never both town

Also can you try to put this read into words if you can? Because to me it just feels like you don't like that we are both getting townread

it's just a gut feeling

and again you are coming up with unsubstantiated reasons to scumread me. how have i indicated any sort of dislike for you being townread? i haven't. i just think aureal is really scummy and that to tr her and not be willing to be persuaded by my case on her might imply that you are scum with tmi if she does end up flipping town. but more likely than not she flips scum and you are just pocketed.

[tired person]

here, you made me put like 5x the amount of effort i usually out into writing posts.

[Black]

sorry black but i don't usually make long winded posts but i can try for you if that's like important for you.

my reasons for thinking aureal is scum are pretty simple.
1. her tone feels forced and it feels like she's trying to portray a character of an uninformed and paranoid towny but not like she really is one.
2. i felt that her level of surprise at early reads was unnatural, and that the early reads she was surprised about were natural.
3. i think it's pretty obvious she isn't trying to solve considering she literally decided zebedee was scum before he even posted, and continues to think i am scum without trying to actually evaluate my posting at all. additionally, she had no reads except that a non-poster was scum on page 5. where everyone else had expressed some sort of read and attempt to sort. instead she only asks questions about other people's reads but doesn't really sort ppl.
3.5. to explain this more in detail, i don't feel her questions are meant to sort anyone as much as discredit and/or blend in by asking questions (that don't lead anywhere).
4. pushing/discrediting you for the very natural thing of forgetting a non-poster is not exactly how i'd expect a towny to react.
5. this is not really a reason to think she's scum but i don't think having a bad read on you (regarding your sleep) should make her towny. i could definitely see her as scum not knowing what to do so making up a weird and convoluted read.

Have you ever played with Aureal? Because #1, #3, and maybe #2 (I'd have to go back and check on this one because my memory is shit) are staples of her town game

#4 makes sense considering the context or our relationship. Specifically there have been a few games I played with her where I was scum and fooled her, so now it seems like she's always concerned I'm scum and can see scummy things in behaviors that aren't really scummy. Regarding her read on me not posting overnight, she explained that she thought I had nope'd out of the thread for awhile because I didn't know how to post in the gamestate, which is something I did recently as scum. Still a bad read but I can see it making sense in a town!Aureal world

[Doctor Drew]

if i be honest, i am not sure why, but i think black and aureal are almost never both town

Also can you try to put this read into words if you can? Because to me it just feels like you don't like that we are both getting townread

it's just a gut feeling

and again you are coming up with unsubstantiated reasons to scumread me. how have i indicated any sort of dislike for you being townread? i haven't. i just think aureal is really scummy and that to tr her and not be willing to be persuaded by my case on her might imply that you are scum with tmi if she does end up flipping town. but more likely than not she flips scum and you are just pocketed.

Is Black scum reading you?

[Black]

and again you are coming up with unsubstantiated reasons to scumread me. how have i indicated any sort of dislike for you being townread? i haven't.

You haven't, but scum don't like it when townies are townread. You not liking it is implied in a scum!you world

i just think aureal is really scummy and that to tr her and not be willing to be persuaded by my case on her might imply that you are scum with tmi if she does end up flipping town. but more likely than not she flips scum and you are just pocketed.

I don't think she's really scummy, and maybe I would be persuaded by your case if it was more convincing. If Aureal is town then I can't help but feel like you're the informed one and are now trying to set up a misfade on me once she flips