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[lucca261]

Pretty sure scum hit him trying to get a PR

Did you see a crumb?

now that Margot and FD are both dead there's no point on hiding it

@285 is not a crumb per se but it's so weird that I kinda assumed it was a crumb and I just didn't get it. Margot also came back to it and tried to get an answer as to what 'talk in secret' was so I had a hunch she had the same opinion

[Hu Tao]

Discrediting me as shitposting day 1 when I had quite a few reads is scummy as well.

[Hu Tao]

Even if gamma is scum I don't think Margot is partner here.

also there was this (during the Gamma flip) which just sounds like a weird thing to say in hu tao's postion

Why would scum defend their partner so hard at the end? It was an independent read to what I thought to them individually

[Hu Tao]

Either way I'm not being voted out today, if you're town I suggest take your energy elsewhere

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Also, I swear I remember the name Boonskies, their join date was right before I kinda site flaked

he plays on the account Flavor Leaf now, boon is exclusively his modding account

I am a dumb ass who did not know this

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

fuck, missed on RVS

I'll just pretend nothing of note happened and VOTE: Upwards

fuck, missed on RVS

I'll just pretend nothing of note happened and VOTE: Upwards

How about you don't pretend it's still RVS and come play the game with us my friend

pretending it's still RVS is more fun though and even the mod's using an avatar that takes me back to 2017 (I think) shitposting

to be fair, I read the game again and jumped at nothing

at most I think FD looks towny enough

Whole lotta null here, if anything would like to hear why I am 'towny enough'

I'm still not caught up yet and I'm fairly burnt out from work today but if I'm reading that last post by lucca correctly I don't think it's null. I don't really like going from "here's my RVS vote!" to "ohhh to be fair I was too hasty now that I read the game." It's an RVS vote, it doesn't have to make sense. Why backpedal on it so quickly.

Translation:

I definitely am not aware that my tiny mafia buddy with the BIG STRONG PR is under pressure, maybe we should instead lim this LOW HANGING LUCHADOR

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: Lucca

hey mate why did you unvote Margot so quickly

Good point my moderately-sized luchador64

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Not that it was scum unvoting obviously, but good eye in my imo

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

I was going to unvote if FD didn’t anyway since I wanted to see Margot’s reaction to the wagon, not the blitz elim

this might be what tiny mafia was banking on - Hu Tao was active during the wagon and enticed someone to E-1 it so she could hammer. I think this is big town energy

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?

VOTE: MargotRosa

I somewhat agree with this idea. I think she’s just been not present but wouldn’t mind leaving her a little present on her return

I'm down with this vote (despite only having 2 posts myself)
VOTE: MargotRosa

Why so self-concious about this, do you think you're being scummy when saying that?

i guess Lucca already pointed it out so yea i agree

I was kinda vibing with the possiblity Laplacian was bussing when I saw this but didn't consider the BIG STRONG PR when I was thinking that. I'm less suspicious of it and glad to see it quoted so I could correct that mental image of Laplacian now

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

You mean like you're doing now?

Maybe. See how he shouldn't trust everyone?

The Clappening really got Luchador64 with this one, but the cross counter from the Luchador64 was DOMINANT

[Naerys]

Votecount 1.03

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2024-01-14 01:13:22).

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MargotRosa

(5):

Claptastik

,

Gypyx

, Gamma Emerald, Laplacian, FuDuzn

Upwards (2):

lucca261, Hu Tao

Gamma Emerald (1):

Alianna

Alianna (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (4):

Upwards, Zebedee, DeltaWave, MargotRosa

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

flavor

Dragon Fact #4:

While often depicted as cruel and beastly monsters, dragons are actually highly intelligent, and have a better grasp on science than most humans. In fact, dragons invented modern computers!

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Combined Mod ISO.

Votecount

Gamma Emerald (7):

Alianna,

Claptastik

,

Upwards

, Naerys,

DeltaWave

, Laplacian, Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa (1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Looking at the wagons, i wish to solve in Claptastik- Upwards-Delta
they feel the most sus
Also gypyx is likely town

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?

VOTE: MargotRosa

I somewhat agree with this idea. I think she’s just been not present but wouldn’t mind leaving her a little present on her return

I'm down with this vote (despite only having 2 posts myself)
VOTE: MargotRosa

Why so self-concious about this, do you think you're being scummy when saying that?

i guess Lucca already pointed it out so yea i agree

.. 114 in that quote Gamma called MR "not present". Commenting my voting a lurker while also being low post count isn't self-conscious, it's having a healthy appreciation for irony.

Also, 185 you put both me and Margot as scummy. I was 3rd on the vote train you started for them, hopping on within an hour. If we're both scum, why would I bus so quickly and give the vote momentum?

BIG TOWN can get spooked when things move too fast. It's possible the tiny mafia colluded to break up this wagon on the BIG STRONG PR, but it would be RISKY.

I don't think you're much of a risk taker.

[lucca261]

but Margot/Upwards makes too much sense for me considering their complete lack of interaction D1, how upwards ignored the Margot wagon in its apex, cast the third vote on Gamma when Margot was the leading wagon (on E-3) to make Gamma a viable counter-wagon
the only comment Margot made on Upwards too is putting him at the null-scum slot (the classic partner position) while defending him on the whole quote

check this out

Upwards

A slot that's gotten a lot of heat. I didn't find 81 abnormal at all. Clearly nervous, but I too can remember feeling nervous as town and desperately not wanting to get eliminated first day, even if that attitude is not necessarily the most helpful for town. I think there's definitely an element of defensiveness going on (rf. 121 306 356). Read on their scum hunting is basically similar to Naerys, with the added caveat that it feels mostly externally prompted. Slot to keep an eye on, but null for the moment.

What are you doing here?

I didn’t interact with Margot, true. I also didn’t interact much with quite some other players tbh. Those that read me as null or not at all, mostly. Since that didn’t look too interesting.

I ignored the Margot wagon, true. Simply because I didn’t see much reason behind it.

I made Gamma a viable counter wagon… That’s not even really the truth is it? If you look back, what I just did, you’ll see that Margot had even 5 votes at page 7 and it took 6 more pages until I voted Gamma. I argued my case, true, but it was hardly me rushing to Margots aid. As evident by it taking 20 more pages until Gamma of all people voted Gamma to eliminate Gamma.

I’m not sure what Margots intention was when she put me in the "null-scum-slot". If that’s really the classic partner slot as you put it, that seems like the last slot I would put my buddies in as scum. Why do exactly what town expects?

Not interacting with other players? That's OK. I don't think I've had a thought about Naerys and Alianna on the last 30 pages. But not giving your opinion/interacting with the player who was, for at least 40% of D1, the leading wagon? That's not natural.

Yes, you made Gamma into a viable counter wagon. It happened on page 14.

This was the votecount at the end of page 13.

Votecount

MargotRosa

(4):

Gypyx, Laplacian,

FuDuzn

,

Hu Tao

lucca261

(1):

DeltaWave

Upwards

(1):

lucca261

Gamma Emerald

(1):

Alianna

Alianna

(1):

Naerys

Claptastik

(1):

Gamma Emerald

FuDuzn

(1):

MargotRosa

NOT VOTING:

Upwards, Zeb, Clap

The progression was:

• Delta
  gives me my second vote.
  Margot
  has three votes, all unknown.
  Lucca
  has two votes, one of them being
  FuDuzn
  .
  
• FuDuzn
  switches from
  Lucca
  to
  Margot
  , putting her at E-3.
  
• Clap
  immediately unvotes
  Margot
  .
  
• Hu Tao
  votes
  Margot
  , putting her back at E-3.
  
• Alianna
  is being replaced. We did not know that at the time, but it would turn the
  Gamma Emerald
  RVS vote into a game-determinative vote.

On 325, Clap votes Gamma and starts the tunnel of death that would lead to the eventual elim. At this point, it's basically only one vote on Gamma, given that the only other vote on Gamma is Alianna on RVS. There's no guarantee that the replacement will keep voting Gamma.
Guess who makes the wagon feel heavier and puts the third/second vote onto Gamma on a moment in which Margot is at E-3? @333. All while stating no opinion on Margot and her wagon. Naerys does the same on @338, but as you know, she's town.

Your vote is basically what turns the Gamma wagon from Clap usual throwing votes around and switching them to a real possible lim.

[Gypyx]

Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them

On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure

Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

Cold feet

this also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints

kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)

Ironic because I was just thinking you could be scum again

alas we are but the Romeo and Juliet of mafiascum, bound to destroy each other no mattern the strength of our love

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

just pinging you.

It's buried in my 838 so in case you don't read it I want your answer to this:

91 - I'll tell you my role. It is to RULE with the People's Elbow and rock-hard abs as I rock, sock, and rumble the scum out of the ring.

Do you like being the tiny mafia or do you prefer to DOMINATE the arena in TOS?

[Gypyx]

Discrediting me as shitposting day 1 when I had quite a few reads is scummy as well.

yeah so, i think you misundersteand my point here, yeah you did stuff day 1, more than the average player even, i'm more talking about the progression of "hey i'm gonna quickbhammer" to "i'm not actually"

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: Claptastik
My Margot vote is played out so it’s time to go here

See? The tiny mafia do nothing and the DOMINANT town move on. We need PASSION to CRUSH the tiny mafia

[Gypyx]

Hey Randy i love the thing you've got going on over here, keep slaying queen <3

[lucca261]

Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them

On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure

Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

Cold feet

this also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints

kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)

yeah i think if there's another scum off the gamma wagon then it's probably HT given that Zeb interactions with Gamma were towny

i still kinda think both scum were on wagon tho

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Spoiler:

So here are my initial thoughts after reading ISOs.

Gypxy

- I don't have any strong feelings. Nothing really jumped out at me. I'd say probably leaning toward town for now but I don't see a lot of scum motivation here.

FuDunz

- I look at the ISO and I see solid D1 play. Overall town leaning. Reasonable.

GammaEmerald

- She's in my scum pool. I really did not like the town block formation attempt on post #44. Her most recent vote change from Margot to Clap seems thin. The clap vote seems to be motivated by the fact that clap threw some shade on her. GE sheeped onto the Margot wagon and then hopped off when others hopped off. Talking about her own town/scum meta as if that will convince anyone seems self-preservationist and kind of manipulative. When you add all this up, it looks like someone who is more interested in influencing others around her instead of scumhunting. It's not very townie behavior.

Claptastic

- Clap has been making some good points so I'm likely to say null or town lean. Clap seemed to have some of the same problems that I have with GE.

Hu Tao

- I really think that first post had some townie banter/enthusiasm but I also don't like the stated intention to quickhammer. Ending the day early does not benefit town, especially on day one, and especially when the game was only like... what, 24-48 hours old at that point? So why are we talking about quickhammering anybody? We're also in a position where at least four players haven't contributed anything at all of substance, and ending the day before they can provide information isn't in the town's interest at all. That being said, I'm willing to hear Hu Tao out on the quickhammer comment. I was putting Hu in the neutral pool but as I was typing this post I started to dislike the quickhammer thing more and more. Especially when I realized how little information we have from some people.

Alianna

- I didn't see anything very substantive about reads. I'd like to hear more about why Alianna has the reads they do. Null for now.

Lucca

- I already explained why lucca is in my scumpool and the ISO didn't really change that. In fact, I find it concerning that Lucca is potentially misrepping Upwards in Post 176. "Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post." Upwards didn't say that he read a 100 person game, just that he heard about it. So it's a bit unfair to assume (possibly wrongly) that he actually read it. It seemed like a really thin excuse to go after someone who (if town) is a good ME target. This is the strongest scumread that Lucca has had thus far, and he walked it back later. There are so many more interesting things to talk about in this game other than some mafia game that inspired Upwards to join. It's just odd.

Laplacian

- Not a lot to go on here but he did say he was busy with RL stuff. I am mystified that he expected me to respond to his RVS vote when the only reasoning is that he didn't like neuroscience. Therefore, my response is "you have my condolences." I'd like to see more from lap before I put him into a pool.

Upwards

- I mean no offense when I say that upwards is clearly a new player. I'd like to hear more reasoning and less talking about how they're new. So, null for now.

Zebedee

- Same as above. I'm cognizant that they're traveling for work. Null like Upwards.

Margot

- Low post count + reads based purely on vibes gives me little to work with. Going into the null pool with Lap, Upwards, and Zebedee.

Naerys

- Even less content than Margot. Again, null.

Basically for scum I'm looking at Lucca or GE right now. Obviously there are a bunch of people who haven't really contributed much and so there's definitely going to be some scum in there.

VOTE: Lucca

It is notable that this post is more likely to be written from memory because it is not organized in any particular way except that the slots with the least detail are last because DW could not remember them. For example this is not ordered from town to scum with explanations added in after the sorting is done. This is not copy and pasted from the playerlist order.

I haven't finished reading the whole post yet - I don't really like that the Gamma read subtly downplays the Margot wagon, but I am absolutely CONFIRMATION BIASED and FOCUSED on anything pertaining to Margot as I'm reading.

[Gypyx]

Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them

On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure

Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

Cold feet

this also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints

kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)

yeah i think if there's another scum off the gamma wagon then it's probably HT given that Zeb interactions with Gamma were towny

i still kinda think both scum were on wagon tho

Yeah agreed that we should be looking on the wagon today, this is more of me finding Hu Tao individually scummy despite what VCA would recommend

[lucca261]

Votecount 1.03

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2024-01-14 01:13:22).

Votecount

MargotRosa

(5):

Claptastik

,

Gypyx

, Gamma Emerald, Laplacian, FuDuzn

Upwards (2):

lucca261, Hu Tao

Gamma Emerald (1):

Alianna

Alianna (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (4):

Upwards, Zebedee, DeltaWave, MargotRosa

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

flavor

Dragon Fact #4:

While often depicted as cruel and beastly monsters, dragons are actually highly intelligent, and have a better grasp on science than most humans. In fact, dragons invented modern computers!

Votecount 1.12

Combined Mod ISO.

Votecount

Gamma Emerald (7):

Alianna,

Claptastik

,

Upwards

, Naerys,

DeltaWave

, Laplacian, Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa (1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Looking at the wagons, i wish to solve in Claptastik- Upwards-Delta
they feel the most sus
Also gypyx is likely town

great post you are so great today congrats naerys

i don't hate all targaryens now

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Since 264 comes off of memory imo, and self-admittedly "after reading some ISOs", it is unfortunate that Margot is lumped in with low-content slots as null. I am again probably being too harsh in my criticism because the reads towards the top of this list that are probably fresh in DW's mind do seem real and coming without any agenda. The only "agenda" I can reasonably spot in this post is that it aims to minimize scrutiny on Margot, but in reality the Margot wagon is already gone by the time this post comes.

I think I rescind my earlier JUDGMENT and am willing to welcome DW into the ring tentatively

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Spoiler: LONG

Votecount 1.03

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2024-01-14 01:13:22).

Votecount

MargotRosa

(5):

Claptastik

,

Gypyx

, Gamma Emerald, Laplacian, FuDuzn

Upwards (2):

lucca261, Hu Tao

Gamma Emerald (1):

Alianna

Alianna (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (4):

Upwards, Zebedee, DeltaWave, MargotRosa

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

flavor

Dragon Fact #4:

While often depicted as cruel and beastly monsters, dragons are actually highly intelligent, and have a better grasp on science than most humans. In fact, dragons invented modern computers!

Votecount 1.12

Combined Mod ISO.

Votecount

Gamma Emerald (7):

Alianna,

Claptastik

,

Upwards

, Naerys,

DeltaWave

, Laplacian, Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa (1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Looking at the wagons, i wish to solve in Claptastik- Upwards-Delta
they feel the most sus
Also gypyx is likely town

great post you are so great today congrats naerys

i don't hate all targaryens now

Do I detect BITTERNESS after Naerys DOMINATED the BIG STRONG MAFIA PR last night?