Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

[Alianna]

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Votecount 1.05

SirCakez (4): Skygazer, lucca261, Not_Mafia, Argonauts
Argonauts (3): SirCakez, Invisibility, Roden
Black (2): shaddowez, Save The Dragons
Mucho Man Randy Passion (2): Black, JacksonVirgo
shaddowez (1): Mucho Man Randy Passion

Not Voting (2): Zebedee, Hu Tao

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution or 7 votes to secure a no-execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-21 20:03:19).

[Alianna]

Zebedee has not confirmed his role PM within the time limit and is being replaced.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: sircakez

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

HONESTLY and with DETACHED CURIOSITY

Did you mean to say "Honesty" or did you take something out of that post/forget to put it in.

You asked how you spoke - you spoke HONESTLY and with DETACHED CURIOSITY

[Alianna]

Jake The Wolfie replaces Zebedee.

[Jake The Wolfie]

What is up, my zebedee toilets?

[I'll read up on this game later, pls be gentle.]

[Jake The Wolfie]

What is up, my zebedee toilets?

[I'll read up on this game later, pls be gentle.]

Caught up on the first 3 pages and my

god

. All I'll say, relevant to this game, is that Dragon's slot looks bad.

I dislike #41 from Argonaughts. It feels strange to me.
Not_Mafia has not changed a damn bit since I was banned from the site. I do like the playful antagonism against Skygazer, along with their response to it.

Current standings:

Not_Mafia +
Skygazer +
Argonaughts -
Dragons -

[Argonauts]

41 was a response to sky's confusion to what nm said.
i'm not sure why u find it strange.
~o

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

I'm already confident you are meaning this as the logic you had town-read me for before when I was talking with Clap, I wanted to ask you to make sure so I don't unnecessarily tunnel on you but like I'm impatient and the feelings behind this is dying to get loose, so I'm not waiting any further to write this up. I will sit on my hands for a little bit after writing this and because of the amount of effort I'll be putting in with this I will probably post it anyway even if you do say it wasn't to do with back then.

Alright, so walking through it. In post 58 you said that you were ready to say that we're both Town as of post 53. I ask you what reasoning you had to label both of us as Town this early, you say that for me I was townie because I spoke honestly and with detached curiosity. Because of that read, you wanted us to both look elsewhere insinuating that this read was not a throwaway vibe read, it was a confident one that you wanted us to focus elsewhere for. So this read was to do with my content as of and prior to post 53.

Okie dokes, so taking your reasoning to heart, I looked back at every single one of my posts as of 53 and prior there is not a

single

post that had even an

ounce

of curiosity in it, at all. I was calling out Claps' logic for what I saw it as. If I take detached curiosity as I am seeing the thread with an open mind (aka not attached to any particular idea) then that isn't true either, I was straight up shading Clap for most of that and laughing at him for taking this further than it needed to be taken. On top of that, what could I even have remotely said in those four posts that would give you any sense of my honesty? The only part that I spoke about myself that could be attributed to that type of read is me talking about my voting patterns which has absolutely no alignment-tell within it at all, even if you thought it was it would be shallow at

best

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All this logic would definitely apply to my current play completely and I believe that the initial read on both of us was faked for whatever reason you have needed to fake it. When I waited for you to answer why your read was the way it was, the game advanced further so my true play revealed itself which you could pin as speaking honestly and with detached curiosity. But since your initial read was fake, you don't have the recall about the read that you would have if it was genuine and thus you claim that you read on me as of post 58 was from my actions in the future.

And that don't make much no gosh darn sense, does it?

VOTE: Mucho Man Randy Passion

Look at my posts for yourself

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

Just curious - I've seen this from you before, is it a standard opening you use to avoid giving information?

Straight into shading someone, gotta love it

Just curious - I've seen this from you before, is it a standard opening you use to avoid giving information?

Straight into shading someone, gotta love it

Says the man throwing shade without a vote.

Since when did I need to place a vote to make a point

Since when did I need to place a vote to make a point

What's the motivation for a townie who sees supposedly scummy activity, and isn't currently voting anyone, to NOT vote the scummy activity? OTOH, scum could want to point out the activity in hope that another townie picks up on it and starts a push.

Also, your point on my question is wrong. Even if she answers yes, that just means she's playing to her overall scum meta (town would want towniness to come through in RVS). It says nothing about this particular game. It's literally designed to say nothing about this game. So, how would I push her on it, even with an affirmative answer?

All the question does is help me understand her for future games. That's why I prefaced it with "Just curious."

Oh you're serious, lmfao alright.
Even if I was serious enough to think you were >rand wolf from this, I don't care about a vote, I consider it a useless thing to flop around unless I really wanna do something with it or I'm making a joke. If a vote is what's needed to make a point, there's no point in doing anything but just voting people. We can use words, so I'll use words.

My point on your question isn't wrong, it's framed in a way that appears to be trying to make them look bad OR to make you look like you're doing something both of which are bad but I didn't even remotely care outside of poking fun until you're taking this way further than I expected it to.

Listen brother, if you want me to put vibes into words, you're going to get what you get. You are correct that honesty and detached curiosity are not good descriptors of your first few posts. I felt the way you engaged with Clap was characteristic of how you engage as town. When I put your town engagement into words I think of detached curiosity - curiosity because you are aggressive in your lines of questioning, never satisfied with "little" - but detached, because aggression never comes across in your tone when you're interrogating as town. Honestly is a bad word too. Earnest or forthright are probably better descriptors.

Regardless - you are town, Clap's replacement is town, and Clap and I will ultimately be a waste of your efforts

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

If you'd asked me immediately you'd have gotten "vibes" or SIMILAR, it just so happens when I describe your vibes those are the words I chose

[SirCakez]

Oops should have already said this
I'm an ascetic miller LOL

[SirCakez]

Argonauts still look scummy, none of their newer posts have felt townie to me ever since the early awkwardness

[Jake The Wolfie]

why so many questions so early Jackson

To throw my, rather boring and bland, baseball cap into Mucho's ring;

This question, on it's own, is NAI. It could be a wolf trying their hand at shading Jackson, or it could be a good-faithed question to account for an abundance of activity.

I think the followup is where the real money is at, and the followup reads like a bit of backpedalling and flustering.

Lucca -

[Skygazer]

cakez claiming that late seems +town

[Jake The Wolfie]

I've just gotten to the end of page 7 and I'm tempted to start a running tally of how many of Jackson's posts are just quoting someone and asking a question.

[Roden]

cakez claiming that late seems +town

I think scum are too scared to fake claim Miller these days, so I agree

[Jake The Wolfie]

Finished the backread.

I agree with Argonaughts that Jackson has written over half of the words in this thread, and would further propose that they have

caused

over 2/3rds of the words in this thread, including the words you are reading in this post.

41 was a response to sky's confusion to what nm said.
i'm not sure why u find it strange.
~o

I found it a bit socially unaware, that you didn't understand what was actually happening in the thread but you still wanted to add

something.

I'll take your word for now that it was a good-faithed response, but you're on my radar now.

Black

's posts kinda just washed right through me. Even on a re-read, nothing really stuck to me. I'll throw a wolftag on them for now.

In total:

Not_Mafia +
Skygazer +
Argonaughts ~
Black -
Dragons -

[Jake The Wolfie]

[...]
In total:

Not_Mafia +
Skygazer +
Argonaughts ~
Black -
Lucca -
Dragons -

My editor has informed me that Lucca does, in fact, exist.

[Argonauts]

Oops should have already said this
I'm an ascetic miller LOL

Well OF COURSE you had to get that role, ugh

Orpheus's crumbing was only half-serious. We're backup miller

-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

cakez claiming that late seems +town

Yeah I agree

[JacksonVirgo]

I agree with Argonaughts that Jackson has written over half of the words in this thread, and would further propose that they have caused over 2/3rds of the words in this thread, including the words you are reading in this post.

The power of a bored JV

[JacksonVirgo]

Mucho I'll get back to you, I'm tired as all hell and would rather not go into depth rn

[Jake The Wolfie]

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(Just wanted to point this out to the mod.)

VOTE: Black
cmon.. do something..

Thanks, fixed.

- Alianna

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Mucho I'll get back to you, I'm tired as all hell and would rather not go into depth rn

I dont expect a response to be tbh, but I'm HAPPY to oblige your CURIOSITY should you remain DISSATISFIED

[Alianna]

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