Large Normal 246: Game Over

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I dont recall Andres' actions... it was I think
N1: No message
N2: FN Dunn
N3: no message was reported, but Andres died that Night.

[Enchant]

Hu Tao actually dying is odd

You probably terrible paid attention at everything i said beforehand.

Hu Tao were confirmed as Vanilla, and with other mafia member flipping not-blocker, there's no way for Hu Tao to block RN and fake clear on self. And there's obviously no other mafia members.

She destined to die. Especially after "HEY LOOK I AM CONFTOWN flaunt after hammer.
... Yeah people need to learn to shut up.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Good morning, Hu Tao lied. She’s vanilla.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Celeb got a result on HT, but of course Roden was a Complex Alien, so he probably tried to alien HT to prevent them from doccing anyone.

Which means the N1 failure to neighborize Dunn was due to a PR - not an Alien - so Dunn is not a goon if scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Black, Celebloki, Andres, Davesaz, Hu Tao were the kills on nights 1-5. Roden died D2 and probably no Backup existed to continue blocking.

Black was scumreading Guillo. I think I had kinda agreed with her on D1, but I also think Gamma might have wanted me alive which might be why Black was shot over me (assuming she was shot for suspecting Guillo).

Celebloki was a rolecop, and had confirmed that Hu Tao was not a doctor, so scum went for Celebloki. They couldn't alien anymore because Roden was dead, so their hand was forced.

Andres died N3. I don't really remember his reads. I think he must have messaged Guillo, I remember him trying to play dumb about it, citing that because he died the message couldn't have come to him. This is mechanical error #1 by scum. I think maybe Andres was killed because Guillo didn't want to have to cross-confirm him and preclude a Dunn, Andres team from existing. Killing Andres keeps some suspicion on Dunn. Furthermore, Andres suspected Naerys's FN role. This reminds me, I made a wallpost on D1 that declared Naerys town and Hu Tao scum. Even if I did suspect Guillo then, he wasn't near the top of my scumreads. Davesaz and Enchant were. Dave has flipped town. My D1 reads were pretty bad except for scum!Gamma which I failed to capitalize on. I did find town!Black but she died. Not to focus on myself too much but I am a loud player. It could be that Black was going to be a grounding force for me and scum wanted to break that up so I could move forward pushing my wrong reads.

Next was Davesaz. We had gotten through all of the vanillas by lim and by neighborizing (and by rolecop) - so he was going for PRs next. Dunnstral had nothing to fear from Dave, he was already checked. Guillo had nothing to fear, he was PR. The only players that had reason to fear Dave were me and Naerys. RN would have too, so killing Dave then would further point to the PRs.

Finally was Hu Tao. I've already pointed this out, but in killing Hu Tao, scum have conceded that RN was never blocked. But here's the thing. Scum forgot that their doctor could provide a false inno - after the Guillo flip confirmed a mafia doctor, Hu Tao would be back on the table. This is mechanical error #2, and it's why Dunnstral, myself, and BQ2 are never scum here.

Most likely it is Naerys, but I guess it could be Enchant.

Naerys, Enchant - do either of you feel strongly that the other is town?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

There's also the very sus FN claim as evidence against her

[ssbm_Kyouko]

There are also no other x-shot roles flipped yet and both Naerys and Guillo claimed X-shot

Naerys targeting the doc was the scummiest thing

I'll trust town to decide if naerys isn't scum. But yeah, that should be the vote tomorrow. Sorry for repeating myself so many times.

I repeat kill Naerys tomorrow, she chained self to mafia claiming DOCTOR.


Naerys and fresh replacement may be reason why mafia didn't bother to skip kill, they are both just didn't knew hell about it.

I agree naerys is most sus

Naerys
Hu Tao
Broccoli Quest 2
Guillotina
Enchant
Dunnstral
ssbm_Kyouko

This is the alive list - 7 alive, 4 to hammer - Naerys, Hu Tao, BQ2 and I voted you

I trust your judgement tomorrow but please have naerys as the Elim tomorrow assuming pop is scum

Reading back some of Hu Tao's last words, she probably doesnt vote me in ELO, and she does want to kill Naerys toDay. If scum want Naerys to be mislimmed then leaving Hu Tao around and shooting BQ2, who I thought would be the kill, makes more sense

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have decided
VOTE: Naerys

[Enchant]

I didn't look from perspective that Bodyguard+Vig could be healed huh.

[Enchant]

This is mechanical error #2, and it's why Dunnstral, myself, and BQ2 are never scum here.

I don't understand this conclusion.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

BQ2's main is a person that I am ~fairly confident~ does not miss the fact that a doctor can provide a false inno to a Combined Bodyguard Disloyal Vigilante.

I know for a fact Dunn does not miss this. I am pretty sure that Dunn and BQ2 and maybe Naerys all know that I don't miss this. And obviously I didnt miss this since I pointed it out

[Enchant]

Okay.

Who mafia kill instead?

Dunn/Naerys? Laughable.
Me? Bruh.
You? Oh well, maybe? Unless you are mafia, then it always makes sense to attack Hu Tao then pull this argument up.


It doesn't work out.

[Naerys]

Laughable is the fact that you believe that scum would tie thenselves together like that. Kyou please think.
Do you think i would bus important buddy pr like that? Do you think i wiuld bus Guillo knowing that attention would immediately turn on me?
Meanwhile there is a slot that was not on either scum wagons and isnt really cooperative either.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay.

Who mafia kill instead?

Dunn/Naerys? Laughable.
Me? Bruh.
You? Oh well, maybe? Unless you are mafia, then it always makes sense to attack Hu Tao then pull this argument up.


It doesn't work out.

BQ2 is the kill that makes the most sense to me going into N5. Someone that didn't understand that Hu Tao was NOT conftown made the decision to kill her last Night. That means you or Naerys - do you think Naerys is town? If so, why?

[Naerys]

Okay.

Who mafia kill instead?

Dunn/Naerys? Laughable.
Me? Bruh.
You? Oh well, maybe? Unless you are mafia, then it always makes sense to attack Hu Tao then pull this argument up.


It doesn't work out.

BQ2 is the kill that makes the most sense to me going into N5. Someone that didn't understand that Hu Tao was NOT conftown made the decision to kill her last Night. That means you or Naerys - do you think Naerys is town? If so, why?

This logic points to scum Enchant tho

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Laughable is the fact that you believe that scum would tie thenselves together like that. Kyou please think.
Do you think i would bus important buddy pr like that? Do you think i wiuld bus Guillo knowing that attention would immediately turn on me?
Meanwhile there is a slot that was not on either scum wagons and isnt really cooperative either.

I take it this means you don't think Enchant is town?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Right. I think the last scum is one of you two - if you're both town you need to find each other and convince one of the three of us who scum is imo

[Naerys]

Laughable is the fact that you believe that scum would tie thenselves together like that. Kyou please think.
Do you think i would bus important buddy pr like that? Do you think i wiuld bus Guillo knowing that attention would immediately turn on me?
Meanwhile there is a slot that was not on either scum wagons and isnt really cooperative either.

I take it this means you don't think Enchant is town?

Enchant slot wasnt on either scum wagon, also enchant wasnt very cooperative in the neighbourhoof dave put her in

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm not going to listen to "why would scum tie themselves together" arguments - in he end it's just WIFOM. Scum was down 2 scum in 2 Days, one of which was probably their strongest PR. Scum were desperate starting D3.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So you think it's Enchant, which makes sense for you if you're town.

[Naerys]

I'm not going to listen to "why would scum tie themselves together" arguments - in he end it's just WIFOM. Scum was down 2 scum in 2 Days, one of which was probably their strongest PR. Scum were desperate starting D3.

Thats why scum WOULDNT tie themselves like that. Think. You are desperate so u fake doctor, which has decent chance of carying u into mislim or lose. The other scum doesnt really have to do anything.

[Naerys]

In the same way i dont want to listen to “x shot fn doesnt make sense”
Take it up with mod, i am just playing my pr the way i can

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wait it's real late I already had this train of thought and nixed it without posting it when I realized he was macho

UNVOTE:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well, hmm... I'm not sure how it would work. I think I was thinking (the first time I had this thought when Guillo.flipped) that Doctor could target RN to make all his targets look town, but when I remembered Macho I realized that doesnt work. Going to have to check with the mod.

[Enchant]

Laughable is the fact that you believe that scum would tie thenselves together like that. Kyou please think.
Do you think i would bus important buddy pr like that? Do you think i wiuld bus Guillo knowing that attention would immediately turn on me?
Meanwhile there is a slot that was not on either scum wagons and isnt really cooperative either.

I take it this means you don't think Enchant is town?

Enchant slot wasnt on either scum wagon, also enchant wasnt very cooperative in the neighbourhoof dave put her in

You don't know that.

[Enchant]

Naerys like desperately grabs on anything to condemn me, like bad tunnel.