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[Gypyx]

also that's a rough night for me, black and katsuki kinda were my top SR's

Actually, can you explain why you SR the two of them?

I read their interactions very strongly as scum theatrics (kept pushing each other in a way that wasn't really progressing anything or even not ending on killing each other) and even in their effects it felt like it was meant to push away from the dann wagon?

individiually i've also felt that katsuki was quite scummy / fabricated in their posts and black i've only had some minor pings but it seemed like her scumgame was quite high level, soooo... yea

[Hu Tao]

I kinda just think it's gamma or ccs slot as scum

[JacksonVirgo]

individiually i've also felt that katsuki was quite scummy / fabricated in their posts and black i've only had some minor pings but it seemed like her scumgame was quite high level, soooo... yea

What about Katsuki felt scummy/fabricated?

[Gypyx]

Inventor gives a thing. The given thing is not used the same night it is given. If it were there would need to be 2 night deadlines, one to give it and another to use it.

Dann gives out inventor shots. Read the role card very carefully.

No it's just phrased very weirdly, but he doesn't give out inventor shots, i asked the mod about it for clarification

@MOD: We'll need this to be answered in the thread. Does Dann's role give inventions that give the inner abilities, or the inner abilities directly?

this just occured to me but +town points for everyone who misundersteanding dannfloor's role since his scumbuddies would probably already have received an explaination

Not necessarily could put on an act

Is dave included in "could put on an act"?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Hello

Btw, my initial thought because this game is 12 players and complex is that there's probably only 2 scum but one is a vigilante

I'm kinda disappointed I didn't roll mafia vigilante tbh

Btw, my initial thought because this game is 12 players and complex is that there's probably only 2 scum but one is a vigilante

I'm kinda disappointed I didn't roll mafia vigilante tbh

Omg maybe inventor could give a gun to scum vigilante if it exists so they can get a triple kill!

Btw, my initial thought because this game is 12 players and complex is that there's probably only 2 scum but one is a vigilante

I'm kinda disappointed I didn't roll mafia vigilante tbh

Omg maybe inventor could give a gun to scum vigilante if it exists so they can get a triple kill!

Ooohhh

I like this idea

If there is a traitor I think this could be a traitor soft of gamma slot is scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

If there is a traitor I think this could be a traitor soft of gamma slot is scum.

Ooo nice catch, but I do doubt it's a traitor game

[Thomith]

The more I do setup spec the more I'm convinced it's 2 scum, so might need someone to pull me out of the spiral.

We could have outright been in ELo today with 3 scum if we mislimmed on Day 1 and 2, which seems crazy.
Even if we then limmed correctly in ELo, town would just lose because of the vig bg shot.

[JacksonVirgo]

The more I do setup spec the more I'm convinced it's 2 scum, so might need someone to pull me out of the spiral.

I don't think it matters whether or not we do, if you can argue it changes what we have to do I'll listen to setup spec but otherwise can we just focus on other things?

[Gypyx]

felt like you've asked a lot of very pertinent questions that would've been better left unsaid

Do you have any examples off the top of your head?

Nope since i didn't really bother taking notes but with a quick reread in your ISO i could mention how you asked people their reads on you or that 1779 is a great counteragression onto a scum slot for instance

[Gypyx]

The more I do setup spec the more I'm convinced it's 2 scum, so might need someone to pull me out of the spiral.

We could have outright been in ELo today with 3 scum if we mislimmed on Day 1 and 2, which seems crazy.
Even if we then limmed correctly in ELo, town would just lose because of the vig bg shot.

I think it's best to assume we still have 2 scum until we get to that point no?

[Hu Tao]

The more I do setup spec the more I'm convinced it's 2 scum, so might need someone to pull me out of the spiral.

We could have outright been in ELo today with 3 scum if we mislimmed on Day 1 and 2, which seems crazy.
Even if we then limmed correctly in ELo, town would just lose because of the vig bg shot.

Yeah. The fact we had no nk n1 could mean godfather has another ability in its role and they just didn't maul n1. Or a doc save. Unsure

[Thomith]

Day 1
9 Town 3 Scum - Let's say we mislimmed here

Night 1
8 town 3 scum - Compulsive Vig BG shot gets given out + scum kill

Day 2
7 town 3 scum - let's say we mislimmed here

Night 2
6 town 3 scum - vig bg shot gets used and the second one gets given

Day 3
4 town 3 scum ELo

Even if we lim correctly in hypothetical Day 3 ELo, we still just lose because of the vig bg shot.

I get this is worst case scenario, but the fact that's even possible is what's making me almost convinced it's not 3 scum.

I'll stop there now, I hear y'all saying to focus on other stuff.

[Thomith]

The more I do setup spec the more I'm convinced it's 2 scum, so might need someone to pull me out of the spiral.

I don't think it matters whether or not we do, if you can argue it changes what we have to do I'll listen to setup spec but otherwise can we just focus on other things?

I'd argue it 100% does matter, because I feel like a 3 person team would have much different interactions than a 2 person team?

[Thomith]

The more I do setup spec the more I'm convinced it's 2 scum, so might need someone to pull me out of the spiral.

We could have outright been in ELo today with 3 scum if we mislimmed on Day 1 and 2, which seems crazy.
Even if we then limmed correctly in ELo, town would just lose because of the vig bg shot.

Yeah. The fact we had no nk n1 could mean godfather has another ability in its role and they just didn't maul n1. Or a doc save. Unsure

Could be, I checked and I don't think multitasking is automatically on on this game.

[JacksonVirgo]

felt like you've asked a lot of very pertinent questions that would've been better left unsaid

Do you have any examples off the top of your head?

Nope since i didn't really bother taking notes but with a quick reread in your ISO i could mention how you asked people their reads on you or that 1779 is a great counteragression onto a scum slot for instance

I insinuated that the important questions that I asked, that you're TRing me for has to do with black/katsuki. Can you elaborate on that somewhat?

[JacksonVirgo]

You insinuated*

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd argue it 100% does matter, because I feel like a 3 person team would have much different interactions than a 2 person team?

Would it change anything to do with us seeing who is scummy and voting out the scummiest? It is all just semantics on top of that, or we throw ourselves down the wrong tunnel and lim incorrectly based on that. If it's a traitor game, we can cut the mafia off by the head and the traitor will follow suit and die. We don't need to be playing differently whether or not there is a traitor or not

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll humour the idea for a moment cuz I just realised there's an interaction here but a weak inventor and a traitor would be a huge risk to the mafia. I am not sure if that mech ever goes with the other

[Thomith]

I'd argue it 100% does matter, because I feel like a 3 person team would have much different interactions than a 2 person team?

Would it change anything to do with us seeing who is scummy and voting out the scummiest? It is all just semantics on top of that, or we throw ourselves down the wrong tunnel and lim incorrectly based on that. If it's a traitor game, we can cut the mafia off by the head and the traitor will follow suit and die. We don't need to be playing differently whether or not there is a traitor or not

Now we have a scum flipped, having a better idea of how scum could have been interacting with each other I think could genuinely help us.
My point was I think this could be 10 Town vs 2 Scum, not that there's a traitor.

[JacksonVirgo]

Now we have a scum flipped, having a better idea of how scum could have been interacting with each other I think could genuinely help us.
My point was I think this could be 10 Town vs 2 Scum, not that there's a traitor.

We can do that without traitor speculation. Don't get me wrong, I understand the appeal and the benefits but I genuinely don't think it does us any good compared to if we just assumed no traitor 3-maf team and carried on that way until we get a traitor flipped.

[JacksonVirgo]

Waiting on Gyp to respond to my last two questions and then I'll make whatever statement is cooking in my brain

[Gypyx]

felt like you've asked a lot of very pertinent questions that would've been better left unsaid

Do you have any examples off the top of your head?

Nope since i didn't really bother taking notes but with a quick reread in your ISO i could mention how you asked people their reads on you or that 1779 is a great counteragression onto a scum slot for instance

I insinuated that the important questions that I asked, that you're TRing me for has to do with black/katsuki. Can you elaborate on that somewhat?

Well, i recall that what made me think that was how you acted during it yeah, i can go and look for specifics if you wanna but iirc but it seems like you want immediate answers

maybe i should start taking notes huh, how about that

[JacksonVirgo]

individiually i've also felt that katsuki was quite scummy / fabricated in their posts and black i've only had some minor pings but it seemed like her scumgame was quite high level, soooo... yea

What about Katsuki felt scummy/fabricated?

@Gyp this is the last one. I'll let you know why I'm asking in a moment

[Gypyx]

individiually i've also felt that katsuki was quite scummy / fabricated in their posts and black i've only had some minor pings but it seemed like her scumgame was quite high level, soooo... yea

What about Katsuki felt scummy/fabricated?

Disparity between her confidence and what i'd expect from her reads basically, Big words with small reads

[Gypyx]

individiually i've also felt that katsuki was quite scummy / fabricated in their posts and black i've only had some minor pings but it seemed like her scumgame was quite high level, soooo... yea

What about Katsuki felt scummy/fabricated?

@Gyp this is the last one. I'll let you know why I'm asking in a moment

Yeah i was just distracted with irl stuff inbetween, sorry