Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[Maestro]

Looked at thread, read chunk of thread, forget to bookmark thread

Oh look a squirrel & an international holiday lmao

Look at PMs, see prod, cringe at yourself for forgetting to respond in-thread

Hi, more asap promise but work dinner ahhh

[Maestro]

yeah, up-front time, TL;DR y'all will do what you have to do but RL/headspace means I can't be doin this tn, in about (expired on 2024-01-09 10:00:00) I'll be back, readin/postin, sendin vibe z

[Maestro]

maybe i'm rly dumb & tired, brainnowork etc. but why are so many ppl talking about faked guilties/innos? I am slow, where have claims happened lol

Roles may not be hybrid.

In Simple Games, most players should be Vanilla Townies - although there is not a hard floor here - and non-Vanilla roles must have one role and a maximum of one modifier.

Macho is a passive role, but can be treated as a modifier for the purpose of Simple games. For example, Macho Cop is legal, but Bulletproof Cop is not.

No duplicate roles are allowed.

i didn't know half of this was a thing & makes head hurt regarding joining more closeds in future, but I digresss

[Maestro]

He should've died last night but scum felt more comfortable shooting the Rolecop even though it was publicly announced that Wiz would be protected

If they were fine with the risk that their kill could fail instead of just shooting the PR that can get innos and guilties, it kinda spews that slot as scum

who tf publicly announced protecting claimed PR then apparently didn't/somehow failed to do so? why aren't we purging them w/ hly fire? idrk if it does indicate Celeb as much as you think bc instant WIFOM & scum even know that liek c'mon

PE: god bless Thomith bbbbbbbb

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oh wait Thomith it's you, you're the one we neeed to purge lol

PE: uh ok, idrgi - seems like you WIFOMed yourself & we're rly sufferering for it now but I will reread in am

[Maestro]

somebody other than Thomith; was it your impression that FLeaf was sus enough yesterday that like, that jail isn't a legit scumclaim? bc I don't see why it's not like... maybe Scum PR?

just triple-checked: it's under "Any" alignment so you could miss it but holy

shit

if our claimed PRs didn't all claim shit that could be Scum........ crazy, kooky I say

PE: bc? spittin vibes for now & super tired, insomnia on mobile is a bitch, implied already

[Maestro]

The only reason he would want to keep his choice hidden would be because he doesn't know yet whether he needs to fake a guilty on Hu Tao tomorrow or an inno on Bingle

i just understand this less & less after reading the claims; Nea can't "fake guilty"? it gets a crazy number of false positives? so if anything ScumNea would want to focus on fakeConfirming their partners then move around the list, non?

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wait ScumNea wouldn't make sense unless we had somebody to "watch" them or a JK to selcretly "test" them or smth, right? & I doubt we have that much power + a fuckin' RoleCop without an absolutely stacked Scumteam that should've/could've (for all we know, ig) have had much more of an impact on NA than we realize rn

PE: fair, ok brain is slowly churning

[Maestro]

Most roles are listed as either alignment?

I know? doesn't preevent me from being mildly pinged by you weirdos

[Maestro]

just got done literally saying it could be any of ya but ooooooook

[Maestro]

wait ScumNea wouldn't make sense unless we had somebody to "watch" them or a JK to selcretly "test" them or smth, right? & I doubt we have that much power + a fuckin' RoleCop without an absolutely stacked Scumteam that should've/could've (for all we know, ig) have had much more of an impact on NA than we realize rn

PE: fair, ok brain is slowly churning

Why do you think JK is the likely scum role in the setup over Neap/1SBP/somebody lying about a PR?

if anything this post is saying JK is NOT the likely scum in the setyp? I was ruminating on it being the Neap & trying to think out loud about which of you it more likely is bc I just don't think Town RC means *Town* is stacked w PRs, like how does that follo

[Maestro]

waaaaaaait it would be hilarious for the setup to be exactly that; Town RC who basically = Cop bc the Scum are all other PRs? 1sbp could still be town, maybe even Neap is, but the Town PRs mainly find/interact with each other & the kill, getting limited guilties bc of Neap which even if Scum, they can claim it & just "confimr" partners, take forever until ppl get all "hey this guiy isn't rly helpful..."


PE: idk either

[Maestro]

in 2177 what I'm saying is more relatedtomy remblings about possible ScumNeap than to ScumJK/you, but yeah, I still hate the JK going rogue like you did bc now we simply can't trust you, you realize/acknowledge that right?


PE: idk, I'm not ther normal review group - & I find it wild you're assuming we know nay PRs scum may have; why do you think they claimed? the setup is closed

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Do you think 1SBP and RC vs JK and Neap is balanced?

to answer tho, so no whining later, I guess? it's certainly a

more balanced rep of this game with the claims we have

than DeadConfRC + 1SBP? + JK? + Neap? vs. ?????


& I will not entertain debate on that point lol

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like, tell me I'm wrong Thomith, in whatever words you want, if you feel that's incorrect, but it's not, & iswear when i've got a good nights sleep, whyioughtaaaa

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i legit dgaf about Roden's wagon tbh, I thought that was clear so I'm confused but ok

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you blank walling being able to see it from the other side, not a good look

tf does this even mean, man? no need to get personal, calling my head blank or some shit

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fthen i will adjust to say I think it's rude, yet not personal, ig, for you to call my external monologue blank-walling, when it's the product of ADHD & insomnia but whatever

not to mention like, i stayed up most of the night w you bco f it & you ain't even greatful, like damn

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YES {PAGETOP now sleep time

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I think it's Celebloki and Flavor Leaf.

wait, aren't there 3 Scum? b r u h

[Maestro]

oh ok Celeb or Bingle, I see, afger reading up

and like I fucking said yesterday

gob (Eliminated Day 1) - Vanilla Town
ssbm_kyouko (Killed Night 1) - Vanilla Town
SirCakez (Eliminated Day 2) - Vanilla Town
AnimatedWiz (Killed Night 2) - Town Rolecop
Roden (Eliminated Day 3) - Town 1-Shot Bulletproof
Thomith (Killed Night 3) - Town Jailkeeper

I don't see a full Neapolitan in this setup; there is no fucking way

VOTE: Celeb

did Celeb claim early? maybe they just got locked into something that looked RLY bad later on; I can try to go back and find it but bleeeergh

it's a feels-bad but

[Maestro]

Bingle's also just responded exactly how I would if VT & fake-guiltied so there's that too, the vibez are immaculate & we can look for associations after today but wtfff y'all boggled this so badly b4 I got here it's kinda pain

[Maestro]

I actually think Dunn could be right; but what if it's them + Celeb+FLeaf or Dunn+Celeb+Hu (more likely, IMO)

inb4 FLeaf says I'm only light-sussing Hu/Naerys or smth (i literally just have less impression of them, tbh; others are too loud & I have the ADHD, not the Tiktok-diagnosed kind)

like that's such an odd post from Dunn, is nobody else getting pings off of some of the daystarts here from ppl? I thought I read awhile back calling Scumteam like that this late often comes from over-confident Scum? maybve it was a specific famous person (RC's?) metaplay or smth, idk now

[Maestro]

If we do not get a quick fade, then it's confirmed Bingle and Maestro are aligned

oooooh a big campfire story time for this one, I'm sure, can't wait

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I mean then we lose here? wtf, from my PoV Celeb is obvScum; I fully believe Bingle's claim & the setup you're all assuming/picturing is ridiculous

but at least people now can get behind one of us as Scum, eh? that's the only thing you've proven by voting me, if we don't get a "quick fade"

PE: WOAH EH FLEAF if it's me of Celeb why is the claimed-PR not your priority here? in the 1v1 w their result from today!? wtffffff

[Maestro]

\o/

oooookie I didn't vote first, Bingle did, so all we know is all 3 of us aren't all Town? that's literally it, but we already knew that FLeaf

[Maestro]

or at least you me & Celeb have all been running on that assumption already; I think it's you, you think it's me (and are now ignoring my posts, very cool), and Celeb thinks it's Bingle

[Maestro]

& you targeted Bingle?

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o rite, Even-Night, ok, I looked at that and thought you hit Bingle last night, only reason I can think of you'd be so hard-on here today

[Maestro]

so you think it's Me/Hu/Celeb, FLeaf?

[Maestro]

so you refuse to engage w/ me on any level whatsoever other than sass

that's supposed to be a fun thing for me to experience, in a game, that I feel should encouraged to play

yup, and it's just me being upset about

some pressure

, folx, sure

[Maestro]

or w h a t e v e r

bleeding, nvm

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you couldnt have known I was a PR, and thus, the vote is aimless, and I believe it to be a bus vote 100%, and I am here testing the waters.

what vote is aimless...? I'm voting fucking Celeb still, and again, I was not the one who voted first, Bingle was

I'm surprised Celeb hasn't; it could do more for all your spinfoiling

[Maestro]

The setup was town-sided before you claimed PR! I didn't needthat fucking info, bc I thought yesterday that it was town-sided & was clear on that so ???

[Maestro]

again, Celeb hasn't yet FLeaf

get your head out of your ass bc if you actually did RE: Me it might help, js

turngon off some MS.net for the night, might be mobile later

[Maestro]

Celeeb not voting guilty on Daystart even in ELO was continuiong scumclaim for me; idk read the game

PE: yeeeaaah hurtful

[Maestro]

I'm leaning celeb and flavor scum. Trying to find the last

w3tf?

This is a scum claim for multiple reasons:

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2: Hu Tao said "still looking for a 3rd". This is the big one. From a Town Tao POV, they know that it's one of Bingle/Celeb. They picked Celeb. They know it's one of Maestro/Flavor. They chose Flavor. They are directly agreeing with Dunnstral's point. This literally only leaves Naerys. How are they "still looking for a 3rd"?

I...actually agree w this! [unv][/unv]

willing to vote Hu Tao at some point but very annoyed w/ FLeaf for thinking it's me thast goes today

if you wanna keep calling me"so bad I must b3e scum!" that's fine, but we still need to lim in Bingle/Celeb today & if FLeaf somehow thinks both are Town I'm rly fucking confused here about what he expects to do by swerving the elim for today over on me

In addition to the case I pushed on them early on in the game, starting Day 1. Hu Tao was expecting to be the one to 1v1 Celebloki here, and hoping to over Bingle. Bingle was not trying to have Celebloki target me because I got pigeonhole defended behind Celebloki.

My town core has been dying off.

I am confident that scum is Hu Tao/Maestro. Celebloki doesn't die because if Celebloki died last night, I'd be confirmed town, and Thomith and I would be linked up incredibly tight. Thomith is NOT a kill I make with 3 scum alive.

Dunnstral, you are the clutch vote. Please see why Naerys and I are town here.

"you town core" ok bud & I am confident it's Celeb/FLeaf after this white-knight of a Day, Dunn, plz see that

explain the bolded plz, FLeaf

Maestro hopping on Cele is either really bad play or scummy. It kinda reeks with trying to put some psychological pressure on us. Sheepier townies would give in to that and allow speedy mislim.
I dont like Celebloki´s hammer and his reasoning for it, but that Maestro´s vote... the more i think about the less i like it. Its timing, they way he voted.
I dont think i can see a universe where Cele+Maestro are alligned? For scum to fake guilty and his buddy trying to buss him at this point does not make sense. Bingle and Maestro probably buddies
Therefore Bingle+Maestro+Dunn feels rather likely to me

You don't think flavors jump on maestro was equally as bad btw?

Hu isn't scum w/ Flavor, which we kindas knew; but I could see Naerys/FLeaf/Celeb easily after some of the last page or2

It’s really not fleaf. I think m is voting with me because it’s a safe play. If they get support on me, he can just hammer. The lim is never outside of me celeb, so poisoning the well on the celeb wagon with a shit vote just makes sense, and if we vote right and get to see tomorrow he looks better because he jumped onto celeb early.

He just really didn’t expect me to have such strength in my fleaf read.

ex-cuse me? shit vote? on the person that fake-guiltied? in a setup this power-heavy where they're claiming another full PR!?

[Maestro]

that tage didn't work for some reason? is it just uv?

UNVOTE:

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tbh I think FLeaf has way less idea what's going on than he thinks

& it's very personally annoying/disruptive to me that he's refusing to read my posts or whatev, but I think the little break I took made this bs clear to more ppl; you're just reaching & you barely have an idea who Scum is... we have a fake guilty here, or at least a 1v1, and yet you're reachign w multuipkle different combinations of bs "Solves" & calling Naerys town when they've been coasting, leaning on Dunnstral who has also been kinda whatever- & you're just all over, man

like stop positioning yourself as some kind of Town lead

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bc no quickhammer? tell me more, oh wise one

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I mean, after a min I just stopped posting to see if FLeaf would pied-piper this shit off a cliff and WHADDAYAKNOW

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Exhibit A of "people who posiution themselves as Town Leader too often but don't get shit done if they can't coalesce people behind them (e.g. foster collaboration, instead of being hard-headed?) will consistently lose games"

PE: Celeb, we literally just didn't want/try to, y'all did fine on your own who needs to stress

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right? you can call out what you think are Scumslips all day long but if y'all don't fucking work together who cares lol

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FLeaf posted every single fucking "solve" possible this last day phase, I think

somebody comb the posts of all talkative Town; was there a single pairing not considered? you all truly imploded, only good word for it

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To clarify, I believe Bingle wasn't ever online at the same time as Naerys so organizing a quickhammer was impossible.

profile info doesn't account for "hide my online status this session," which I often have checked on login, if that's how you know this

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YES I LOVED THEM DRAGON <3