Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[RCEnigma]

I wish I had the time to open the game by doing every scum tell in my first post, but the way my work schedule is set up…

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Can’t argue with logic VOTE: Rcenigma

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I wish I had the time to open the game by doing every scum tell in my first post, but the way my work schedule is set up…

Can you at least tell us you think the person you replaced is super scummy?

I can give you an I’m not reading anything from before I repped in.

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FL I’ve arbitrarily decided you’re town and I’m just gonna go with whatever way the wind takes you.

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Use this power for good.

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I would suggest finding thomith and bingle as town though.

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I would suggest finding thomith and bingle as town though.

Why are Me/Bingle town?

I like your attention to detail. And bingle makes me feel things.

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Hi.

Zoobooks are so cute

Where's your vote?

Why did you ask Hu Tao where their vote was but not gob, who also didn't vote?

I did not notice.

Fair enough.

You didn't vote either though.

If you want a more solid answer, this back and forth with Dunn is a town process.

Holding Dunn accountable for applying the same standard across multiple slots is a lot more likely to come from town trying to discern the intention behind an action than scum. Could scum fake it? Maybe I guess, it would probably feel more pointed however.

Bingle is more a vibe read for being willing to play into my bs. I like that kind of thing.

Instead of just shrugging me off and going, wow that scummy behavior is pretty scummy.

Since that’s kinda the point.

Speaking of I have some detrimental posting to get back to.

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Sounds like me.

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No thoughts on bingle hu Tao?

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If there’s anything you can be sure about with FL it’s that you can’t be sure about any read he gives out before like…day 4.

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Character development!

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FL it’s been a long time since we’ve played together as the same alignment. When I came back to site I was on like a 6 game scum streak.

So maybe I know the old FL.

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Mmk I’d like to not make this an fl focused game, let’s make it a THOMITH focused game.

I’m on the verge of townreading roden as well.

Thomith who’s scumpinging you so far?

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Jiggly puffs are kinda scary.

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Hi, I'd pull a, "I’m not reading anything from before I repped in." like RCE, but the fact that I saw that post probably contradicts that ploy.

Pack it up boys we gottem.

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Does anyone else feel like they have really solid reads on a couple people but absolutely shit to work with for the majority of the class, or is it just me?

@me then. Null gang for life.

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Too ready to overexplain town!gob

TMI or S/S?

TMI, I think gob towntelled, but I only just read the towntell. He hadn't made the post yet when I read Animated's post

Unrelated, how do you prefer to be referred to

@Animated Wiz

? I prefer being called Kyouko or an abbreviation of that (Kyo, Kyou, Ky) rather than ssbm, and I find myself unsure whether to call you A Wiz, AWiz, Animated, Wiz

I’ll bite, what’s the towntell?

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I’m tinfoiling a Kyouku, Cakez, Hu Tao team right now.

I disagree on Hu Tao.

I could potentially see the other two.

That’s why i said Hu Tao would be deep wolf in another post

I saw.

The only reason I primarily disagree is because Hu Tao was trying to deep wolf in the last Micro, and I feel like they are playing much differently here.
I'll reread them though to make sure I'm not tunneling on a town read just because they feel different though.

Well, did it work there?

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I don’t think it ever really picked up.

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Thomith, FL, bingle, maybe kyouko town.

If that’s where FL ends up falling I’ll vote there but if they’re town I’d expect a pivot.

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Thomith, FL, bingle, maybe kyouko town.

If that’s where FL ends up falling I’ll vote there but if they’re town I’d expect a pivot.

This is confusing. It sounds like you're referring to sirCakez here based on Thomith's recent posts.

You're saying if FL ends up falling on scum!Cakez you'll vote Cakez, but if they (Flavor Leaf) are town you'll expect a pivot? Meaning if he doesnt pivot it's because he's scum and you'd be sheeping someone you think is scum?

By they did you mean Cakez? As I type this out I feel like that mist be it

Sorry, they meant you (kyouko). I’m townreading FL, townleaning you, and I think if you’re town then FL figures it out before eod. Or at least ends up on a better elim.

Last I read he was suspecting you somewhat, idk if that’s been cleared up I haven’t really read the last couple of pages with gamestate or anything in mind.

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Ahh ftr I’d sheep FL today even if I thought he was scum. I think he’s at least aware of that.

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It is, I’d have to explain the rationale behind it for it to make sense, but then it loses value so.

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It is, I’d have to explain the rationale behind it for it to make sense, but then it loses value so.

Is this something you think you'd be able to explain tomorrow if we're both still alive?

Scum can’t kill me tonight without shooting themselves in the foot so yeah I can.

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It only works for tonight anyway.

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Does that make me the partner kyouko? I don’t get it.

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I’m a fan of crackpot theories. I think it’s a little, in the weeds. But I like kyouko for it.

Kyouko how does it change your gob view if I’m town?

It kind of destroys the premise no?

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i dont know if i believe it's accurate either.

About where I am.

But, if gob is town I don’t want to sac gob for an aha, told you it was wrong.

And if he’s scum I don’t wanna catch the axe for it.

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I don’t want to hand tip too much *common theme I guess* but I’d imagine that’s only really the case if Gob isn’t a very straightforward player.

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Me and fl can’t be nked this is gonna be pretty quick.

VOTE: gob

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Town readers of wiz, naerys, Dunn. Talk me through those.

Then we can talk about the vanity votes after.

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It is, I’d have to explain the rationale behind it for it to make sense, but then it loses value so.

Is this something you think you'd be able to explain tomorrow if we're both still alive?

I wanted to explain this bit, it’s not some grand gambit but at least for n1 with the way I tied myself to FL I guaranteed I live through the night.

If FL is town and I die I slingshot FL and give him more agency to push his reads via my read on him. If he’s scum he couldn’t kill me without making himself look bad because scum FL would have been targeting me with the intention of boosting his reads but I wasn’t so townie that I would be a conventional n1. So it’s suspicious.

It works both ways as well, we would be deadlocked regardless of alignment.

As far as pushing FLs targets even if I thought he was scum. He touched on it yesterday, you don’t get scum!FL limmed day 1. You have to weaponize them against themselves. It’s a slow burn that only really gets expedited with a guilty but even then it’s a tough ask to catch scum!fl.

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Solid town: Thomith - solves, his analysis feels logical and well thought
Maybe town: Flavor - he is aloof, but observing
Bingle -laid back at the beginning, but later he feels like he is trying to sort people

Null: Gob - unreadable pink fluff filled with pink fluff
Plus bunch of people that need to post more -Hu, SirCakez, Cele

Scumlean: Roden - doesnt do much, just some empty sentences
Kyou: Slightly better than Roden, might replace some lurkers in the null reads tbh, i feel like scum is trying to stay in the shadows at this moment

Updating this: Thom still solid town. Flavor is being flavor and i dont really have reason to suspect him at this moment.
I would love some read list from Bingle- could you please share some, when u are up to it?

Cakez i dont know so he is harder to grasp. I may need more time to get a solid read on this slot. Null for now
Hu Tao - could you write a RL please?
Cele- 505 and 508 are giving me few towny vibes
Gob-isnt being much helpful, so he could be scum, he is just hard to read for me

AWiz- feels town
Roden-shifted towards null
Dunn- idk, suspicious absence
RCE-null
kyou-shoots straight into strong town from post 477 onwards, solid solving

Arguments against gob feel solid. Possible scum team gob-dunn-rce? if gob is town vca will be interesting
VOTE: gob

This still where you are with the flip?

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Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> idk I didn’t get to their recent reads or I skipped over it. But it’s still an interesting triangle.

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Town

: Thomith, Kyouko

Townlean

: Hu Tao, Naerys, Flavor Leaf, Roden

Null

: Celebloki

Scumlean

: RCEnigma, gob, SirCakez

Scum

: Bingle, Dunnstral

Nvm found it, so

Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> SR -> Dunn

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Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> idk I didn’t get to their recent reads or I skipped over it. But it’s still an interesting triangle.

Is it an interesting triangle because any three individual points form a triangle? Cause I’m not seeing a why to tie those three together.

If gob got flipped through a doc claim with no scum input, I’d be pretty surprised.

I’m town, fl town, kyouko flipped town, I’m taking FLs Roden read at face value as town.

Naerys/Dunn/Wiz is left over on the wagon and highly likely to contain at least 1 scum and in that trio 2 are opposed to Dunn. I think it’s fairly interesting.

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I sometimes forget you guys aren’t in my head.

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Idk if FL and I have ever rolled scum together now that I think about it.

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Gonna need some votes for pressure.

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I’m almost 20 pages behind, sorry, holidays +birthdays. Just a bad time to mafia.

I’ll get to it tuesdayish.

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Well I haven’t been here so. Pretty much.

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I’m a full game day behind, when I get caught up with the game I can interact with it. After the holiday season I can give it effort.

If you have something about the day phase I was present that’s fine I can interact with that.

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So basically you don’t actually think she had more information, but we’re hesitant to eliminate her in case she did have extra information?

Do you think you were a likely target for a town jk? Why?

I'm not sure. Before Dunn mentioned JK, I was more sure I was roleblocked by scum. When I repped in and was making my initial posts, I was fighting with whether I should crumb or not, when I made my second post I was worried I was a little too obvious. My initial assumption was that a scum roleblocker saw my crumb and went for me based on that. I assume a town JK seeing my crumb would obviously choose not to go for me. I suppose my reluctance to go for her if I felt she was a town JK may have been misguided, it was born out of a desire not to out or lim another town PR.

I'm trying to think now what the motivation for either a scum JK/RB or town JK would be for openly defending my claim. Scum motivation here is obviously to try and earn town points when I flip town, but the risk is being accused of having TMI. I almost assume a town JK would want to stay hidden and not out themselves by defending their target thinking about it now...

What is it you’re claiming?

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Loki - pr?
Wiz - pr?
Hu - pr?

I havent started reading up yet but are we massclaiming d2 or what?

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How do you feel about it being basically a dichotomy (trichotomy?) set up by someone you’re apparently scumreading?

Unsure, honestly—I’m not sure what RCEnigma thinks is super useful about it currently, because there are plenty more of those types of chains and 2v1s around the game wherever you look. They’re way more useful for determining associations after flips and massclaims, but this early it’s not really going to do anything, I think. Feels… fluffy, maybe?

It wasn’t even like an associate kind of read. Scum on wagon is likely in those three slots. And if I’m wrong on all three then I’m wrong on FL. I’m less inclined to explore that than just having a scum in that rule of three pool.

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I think I'm town reading Roden

+1

Also liked hu Tao before this post for the Dunn vote.

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I’m in the late 30s pages but fos on slots like, cakes, naerys, roden until his fl/bingle read got expanded. For pushing on the low activity low hanging lim targets while FL and Bingle argue over bigger fish.

Hu Tao is kinda just chugging along at their own pace with their own agenda.

Only played scum with Hu tao once but they were more of a go with the flow player and just supported whatever the plan was. They were a rep in there but doesn’t really change my player view.

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I think there's a triangle between you, wiz, and Kyouko. We now know what Kyouko is and I am town reading Wiz. You were generally sheeping Kyouko's push on Wiz and have been at odds with Wiz. Kyouko seemed to have lost her scum read on him and turned around to town read him when she was being pushed. I could see a world where scum!you might consider NKing Kyouko to make wiz look bad.

In short, in the 3 of you I feel like there has to be scum and it's most likely you.

Not sure this tracks when there are just better ways to go about limming wiz besides killing kyouko. But I like the triangle.

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Not like she wasn’t obv town though right

Sure, but anybody would have wanted to kill her then.

Yeah, i think Kyouko just died because scum were content with gamestate, so they killed a obv townie.

I also think it means scum are for sure off the wagon too.

I’m not following.

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Good job DE

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I think Naerys being the deep wolf would have made it hard, but if we had taken down Bingle or Maestro instead today, I would have eventually had a solve at 3p, would have just had to convince whatever townie I was left with. Keeping myself from being limmed was my biggest challenge.

I never would have went Naerys over you.

Naerys setup the distancing on the RCE slot early.

Good to know my soul reading on Day 2 with RCE is good, though.

Guilty!

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Sorry for the dropout, I was pretty sick and couldn’t really gather up the strength to think.