Mini Normal 2322: Game Over

[Flavor Leaf]

Something I’ve had with Hu Tao/Dragon and their low level of reasoning for their strong town reads on each other, is it would have been much easier to just give any reason at all other than that single one they’ve been given as scum. They took loads of heat for it throughout this game, and i just dunno if i believe that scum/scum wouldn’t come up with some reason.

I had been operating most of the game that one scum was in there and the other pocketed.

[Ausuka]

Votecount 4.12

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate. Day 4 ends in (expired on 2024-01-19 22:02:50).

Votecount

Pavowski (2)

- DragonEater70, geraintm

Black (2)

- Hu Tao, Flavor Leaf

DragonEater70 (1)

- Black

Hu Tao (1)

- Random Nurse

Purplemango (1)

- Pavowski

Not Voting (1)

- Purplemango

Flavour

[Ausuka]

Prodding Purplemango.

[Black]

Been there all game, Black.

I don't think it's a real read and she is purposely avoiding going into detail about it

[Black]

Tomorrow I have a lot of free time so I'm going to spend some time looking over HPE interactions

[Black]

@Dragon
@Hu

Why do you scumread Pav?

[DragonEater70]

Sorry for low level of content these past few days, I have been feeling burnt out from mafia in general and I also have much less free time than I used to. I do think I will be able to do a more meaningful contribution this evening.

Relatable

Can you go into detail about why Hu is town?

Basically, I get the same vobes from her as from Mini 2321 and maybe the booneytoonz game

I honestly forgot which games I was basing this on but trust me she was town in some recent games and felt the same vibes here

Additionally I mindmelded with her reads early on, for example the scumread on HPE

Additionally I don't think she'd hard defend me like this as scum

[DragonEater70]

@Dragon
@Hu

Why do you scumread Pav?

Basically? It's a PoE thing of "yeah sure his posting his good om surface level, but I have much deeper townreads on like most other slots so I am gonna ignore this surface level towniness", combined woth the fact that everything he's posted feels fakable.

Alsl combined with Kyouko's scum case on him which to be fully honest I kinda forgot right now but it doesn't make it invalid because I did read it back then and thought it made sense.

And also combined with the fact that he has discredited every single push I've made on HPE and if I recall the VC correctly, wasn't even on HPE elim wagon.

And also combined with the fact that HPE TR'd the worst posts in his ISO (IMHO) which is just weird to me.

And also there's how he's been pandering to Flavor pretty obviously. Like Hu Tao and I have been clashing with Flavor at times because instead of just sheeping him, we cared about our reads. But with Pav it feels like he doesn't really care about his reads being correct as much as he cares about being in agreement with Flavor, which is weird to me. I can probably quote the specific posts that show this tomorrow (I'll also quote when HPE townread bad posts by Pav and I can also quote AGAIN the times he discredited my pushes on HPE).

[DragonEater70]

Goodnight.

[DragonEater70]

Sorry for low level of content these past few days, I have been feeling burnt out from mafia in general and I also have much less free time than I used to. I do think I will be able to do a more meaningful contribution this evening.

Relatable

And yeah kinda sucks

Life is hard right now. Like, I'm getting a lot done but it's really tiring.

[DragonEater70]

Votecount 4.12

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate. Day 4 ends in (expired on 2024-01-19 22:02:50).

Votecount

Pavowski (3)

- Hu Tao, DragonEater70, geraintm

Black (1)

- Flavor Leaf

DragonEater70 (1)

- Black

Hu Tao (1)

- Random Nurse

Purplemango (1)

- Pavowski

Not Voting (1)

- Purplemango

Flavour

Flavor why are you voting Black?

Not opposed just curious.

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Hu Tao]

No. But like I said he's completely different as town. I've seem him more as town. And you've been in some of those games. Which is why I'm confused

So your entire read is based on Flawless Hell in which he admitted he was disconnected from due to IRL stuff. Do you understand why I think this is a bad meta read?

Like I stated it's not just that. It doesn't make sense for scum to do what he did. He would have easier ways to win

[Hu Tao]

Been there all game, Black.

I don't think it's a real read and she is purposely avoiding going into detail about it

How is this not a real read? I've explained my read over and over and over. I'm sorry you don't agree with it, but this is how I base my reads. I've not been wrong on him in any of my games.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Hu Tao]

Yeah. I think black is just scum

[Hu Tao]

I thought I was already voting black?

[Black]

Been there all game, Black.

I don't think it's a real read and she is purposely avoiding going into detail about it

How is this not a real read? I've explained my read over and over and over. I'm sorry you don't agree with it, but this is how I base my reads. I've not been wrong on him in any of my games.

I've explained over and over and over how it's a bad read and instead of reevaluating you're just ignoring all my points. It doesn't feel like you want to solve for Dragon. That's because you already know his alignment and are committed to the pocket attempt

[Black]

This is scum!Hu

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Black

Yeah I think black is just scum

Yeah vote count is wrong

[Hu Tao]

This is scum!Hu

What makes my scum meta? When have you ever read me correctly as scum?

[Hu Tao]

Been there all game, Black.

I don't think it's a real read and she is purposely avoiding going into detail about it

How is this not a real read? I've explained my read over and over and over. I'm sorry you don't agree with it, but this is how I base my reads. I've not been wrong on him in any of my games.

I've explained over and over and over how it's a bad read and instead of reevaluating you're just ignoring all my points. It doesn't feel like you want to solve for Dragon. That's because you already know his alignment and are committed to the pocket attempt

Okay. Since you're new I'll level with you. Tell me why Dragon is scum here then.

[Black]

This is scum!Hu

What makes my scum meta? When have you ever read me correctly as scum?

I don't base every read on meta like you do. I don't think your read makes sense, and I definitely don't think your confidence in such a bad read feels natural

[Black]

Been there all game, Black.

I don't think it's a real read and she is purposely avoiding going into detail about it

How is this not a real read? I've explained my read over and over and over. I'm sorry you don't agree with it, but this is how I base my reads. I've not been wrong on him in any of my games.

I've explained over and over and over how it's a bad read and instead of reevaluating you're just ignoring all my points. It doesn't feel like you want to solve for Dragon. That's because you already know his alignment and are committed to the pocket attempt

Okay. Since you're new I'll level with you. Tell me why Dragon is scum here then.

I think Dragon might be town actually

You're scum though

[Hu Tao]

Been there all game, Black.

I don't think it's a real read and she is purposely avoiding going into detail about it

How is this not a real read? I've explained my read over and over and over. I'm sorry you don't agree with it, but this is how I base my reads. I've not been wrong on him in any of my games.

I've explained over and over and over how it's a bad read and instead of reevaluating you're just ignoring all my points. It doesn't feel like you want to solve for Dragon. That's because you already know his alignment and are committed to the pocket attempt

Okay. Since you're new I'll level with you. Tell me why Dragon is scum here then.

I think Dragon might be town actually

You're scum though