Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

[Argonauts]

more later maybe

For your awareness:

You are going to be my main push tommorrow should more not happen between now and then.

Why std?

-Asclepius

[Black]

more later maybe

For your awareness:

You are going to be my main push tommorrow should more not happen between now and then.

Why not push him now? What did you think of shaddow's catch-up?

[Black]

Like I get wanting to vote Black, but I do feel a town vibe from her posts even though she is being lazy lol.

How am I being lazy?

[JacksonVirgo]

Was she neut hunting? She mentioned it a few times, but it wasn't like, her passion project.

Who would make it super obvious? It's a common scum tell, her focus was finding the SK.

we really should be DOMINATING the third party REFEREE today

[Jake The Wolfie]

more later maybe

For your awareness:

You are going to be my main push tommorrow should more not happen between now and then.

Why std?

-Asclepius

Generally, I'm pushing people who have low game activity and already have some momentum their way. Specifically, Dragon's posts have both lacked relevancy and lacked luster.

[...]

Why not push him now? What did you think of shaddow's catch-up?

While I would love to push him now, I don't think there's enough momentum that way. Though, I suppose I'll need to be the change I wish tosee in the thread.

Shadez catch-up was alright(?) but it didn't really inspire confidence in me that they were town. I can do a deeper breakdown if prompted.


Speaking of being prompted...
VOTE: Save The Dragons

[Jake The Wolfie]

Was she neut hunting? She mentioned it a few times, but it wasn't like, her passion project.

Who would make it super obvious? It's a common scum tell, her focus was finding the SK.

we really should be DOMINATING the third party REFEREE today

Eh, I'm still a little unconvinced that she was Neut Hunting, although I will admit this does make me question her towncred now.

[Argonauts]

Was she neut hunting? She mentioned it a few times, but it wasn't like, her passion project.

Who would make it super obvious? It's a common scum tell, her focus was finding the SK.

we really should be DOMINATING the third party REFEREE today

I do not see that post as making it her "focus" (especially because you cut the next words about finding mafia). Nor do I agree that thinking it could be best to take out the SK first is a scumtell. Especially when you're just coming out and saying it like that.

-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

Nor do I agree that thinking it could be best to take out the SK first is a scumtell. Especially when you're just coming out and saying it like that.

How is it not? Is this a cultural difference? The only people who should care about taking out/focusing the SK are the mafia. Town should just be focusing on who is wolfy

[JacksonVirgo]

(especially because you cut the next words about finding mafia)

It isn't about that, it's the fact in her head she wants to focus the serial killer. I cut that bit out because it does not matter

[Argonauts]

Nor do I agree that thinking it could be best to take out the SK first is a scumtell. Especially when you're just coming out and saying it like that.

How is it not? Is this a cultural difference? The only people who should care about taking out/focusing the SK are the mafia. Town should just be focusing on who is wolfy

Town can win with the SK?!?

-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

Nor do I agree that thinking it could be best to take out the SK first is a scumtell. Especially when you're just coming out and saying it like that.

How is it not? Is this a cultural difference? The only people who should care about taking out/focusing the SK are the mafia. Town should just be focusing on who is wolfy

Town can win with the SK?!?

-Atalanta

Talk to me when you're not going to be a dick

[Argonauts]

Is there a reason you're being rude? Did I hit a nerve? Are you the SK?

-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I'm the SK, super kool

[lucca261]

Here. Sorry for the inactivity. Life stuff got in the way. Back, reading and catching up.

[lucca261]

Feel good about HT and Black so far.

Did you get a chance to read my question to you?

Actually had this written on my notepad and somehow didn't answer. Sorry.
Black, @150. Do not see any similarities so far. But at that game he replaced a pressured slot on D2. It was a very different situation than a mostly RVS game to the point. Maybe a little more inquisitive, but meh.

nowadays-edit: I was waiting for the hydra to answer me to clarify if Doctor Drew was truly @Asclepius before going through a full re-read on that game given the similar playerlist

[lucca261]

About Black, I think her getting to that conclusion is a towny-progression. Something like:

1) hmm, Hu Tao posts feels bigger than normal
2) let me check her ISO on previous games
3) oh, it is the biggest post since "x game"
4) I wonder what does that mean?

if Black was scum, I think she would've used that information in a more definite way. It's a good argument, scum would use that to get somewhere, at least in my view.
[...]

I guess I follow. It reads more like a neat observation to me, but I can see your perspective.

[...]

liked the vote on Macho Man because he looks like a very analytical player and I can see how town!JV would get a little annoyed and paranoid by the fast confident read + the fluff as it seems like easy content.

I can see someone who is assumedly bored and is probably re-reading the game to get more conclusions going back, looking at Macho's read and going: "wow, this is bullshit for how early it is". So I think the vote makes sense. At least I can see how he would come to this conclusion if he was town. If he was scum, I don't see the benefit

Huh. This is a little strange interpretation. I thought that post was rather straightforwardly an attack on Mucho for her thoughts on Jackson and how they didn't line up with what they were seeing.

In this framing, Jackson's post could come from other alignment, but from what you're telling me about their play they would be more likely to be town. Frustrated town at that.

I read Jackson's play on start of D1 as frustrated town who really wants to play, but no one is around. I think he even mentioned being bored a couple of times. So I can easily see the vote as a frustrated town one.

[lucca261]

The rest of this is on a traditional

Spoiler catch-up time

!

Spoiler:

@319. ehhhhhhhhhhh this is not a good reaction to the wagon

@324. I do not know how much clearer I can be about the situation, JV. It was absolutely the first thing that caught my attention on the game. The very first thing that pinged me. I had just ended a game in which I scumread you, then kinda thought you were town because of VCA, they scumread you because of the end of D2, in which you delayed the obvious lim until we were

five minutes

before deadline. Then I went to the night mad about the clusterfuck on the end of D2 and got killed by the mafia.

you were town

It was just a passing comment that I was afraid that my first gut-read of you this game was being affected by my scumread of you on the last game, because I still was a little annoyed by what transpired.
Clear?

but I think the rest of your reaction to my posts are town so you're back to town JV

@348. @Roden. Why are all your posts on the thread weirdly indirecting accusing someone or throwing NAI questions?

@354. Isn't the same true for you, HT? You kinda admitted it.

[lucca261]

Halfway through, end of page 8.

why so many questions so early Jackson

You need to answer why you asked this next time you pop into this thread

Gut read kinda telas me you were trying to get the "town trying to get us out of RVS" townpoints

but at the same time i'm afraid its just a residual vibes read of the other time we played together, i thought you were scum and you were town

Wasn't it Clap that started that interaction? Why do you think JV was the one trying to get out of RVS?

So far I haven't gotten an answer to either of these, so if they're between here and now this post can be ignored:

It was clear that JV was trying to get us out of RVS. He is doing it even now, on page 14-15, because nothing is happening. I never even commented on Clap vs. JV because I kinda thought it was a boring discussion and Clap was being abrasive. The questions that pinged me were @84, @85 and @87, all in sequence.

I don't like your reaction, Shaddow. It seems you're trying to find stuff to incriminate me because I voted for you.

[lucca261]

Nor do I agree that thinking it could be best to take out the SK first is a scumtell. Especially when you're just coming out and saying it like that.

How is it not? Is this a cultural difference? The only people who should care about taking out/focusing the SK are the mafia. Town should just be focusing on who is wolfy

But why would mafia say it openly that he's trying to take out the SK

[JacksonVirgo]

It was one minute not five, I completely lied at that point. I realised that plurality wasn’t a thing and tried to play it off like I wasn’t an absolute dumbass

[JacksonVirgo]

Nor do I agree that thinking it could be best to take out the SK first is a scumtell. Especially when you're just coming out and saying it like that.

How is it not? Is this a cultural difference? The only people who should care about taking out/focusing the SK are the mafia. Town should just be focusing on who is wolfy

But why would mafia say it openly that he's trying to take out the SK

That’s why I asked Macho what I did to try and understand the town motivation but I can’t do that now lmao. A lot if this read is almost surely confbias as I already SR them

[lucca261]

I remember I was waiting for a hammer to go to the gym, you kept not voting, I was getting upset and ended up not even going because I decided to re-read the whole of D2 immediately after the flip

then i got yeeted like a dumbass and the re-read was for nothing

[lucca261]

more later maybe

For your awareness:

You are going to be my main push tommorrow should more not happen between now and then.

Why std?

-Asclepius

Generally, I'm pushing people who have low game activity and already have some momentum their way. Specifically, Dragon's posts have both lacked relevancy and lacked luster.

[...]

Why not push him now? What did you think of shaddow's catch-up?

While I would love to push him now, I don't think there's enough momentum that way. Though, I suppose I'll need to be the change I wish tosee in the thread.

Shadez catch-up was alright(?) but it didn't really inspire confidence in me that they were town. I can do a deeper breakdown if prompted.


Speaking of being prompted...
VOTE: Save The Dragons

With all that you said on your page 16, shouldn't you be voting me or Black?

I don't think you can get STD off today and I don't like that you voted for him after being prompted by someone

where's the super confident town player Jake

[lucca261]

So @Shaddow why are you scumreading Macho Man?

[Roden]

@348. @Roden. Why are all your posts on the thread weirdly indirecting accusing someone or throwing NAI questions?

That's somehow both a diminutive and exaggerated accusation there