Mini Normal 2324: Fake Fantasy Facts | Postgame

[Comical]

I’m expecting some votes my way.

But if you notice, I successfully did what I set out to do with stopping Enchant wagon from going through.

[Upwards]

And now you argue because of him you won’t answer my question?

What is your question?

What do you make of 1031?

Meta is unreliable. But yes, these my previous games.

Now that’s a start at least. But in what way unreliable? Do you acknowledge a difference between your Town and Scum gameplay in there and argue that it can’t be used for reference in future games, or is your argument that there’s no meaningful difference to begin with?

There's Town games which can be compared with Mafia ones. Ultimately, only thing are changed is my starting knowledge.

If i knew about difference, i will eliminate it or defy it.

So the latter, yes?

There's no denial that i may act differently. But if i noticed it, i would imitate it.

I don't know the answers.

Ok I feel like this is going nowhere again. Enchant, you said you’d explain your Reads if asked. I ask you to do just that.

[DeltaWave]

What scum asks for mass claim like that Delta?


Looking faaaaaake af

What PR claims without any prompting or pressure? You may be shooting a WIFOM angle here but it's a bad idea.

[Upwards]

I’m also semi baiting with my energy to try and see who tries to pounce.

Lap and Delta are the two biggest offenders of that, but I’m starting to think Delta just town who doesn’t get ‘it’.

If that’s the case, why would you ever tell us that you’re baiting? Now who is supposed to fall for it anymore?

Or are you already finished? In that case, can you detail your findings a bit more please.

[Upwards]

Also feels like Upwards fake, amirite

I said fake fake fakity fake

Fake fake fakity fake

Feels like the MACHO MAN snapped into your slim Jim, ooooh yeeeeaaah

I can’t speak for the macho man

Ok then, please just let me hear your own thoughts on 1005.

I think your gamma vote specifically and how it came about was townie.

After i saw the rest of your gameplay, and how you’re still learning the forum mafia style like this, and i kinda felt like you vibe check voted Gamma.

I also agree with pings on Hu Tao/Delta, i don’t really have concrete for Hu Tao.

Ok now where’s this complete 180 coming from? Also I most definitely don’t want to vibe check, I am trying to use logic here.

I clearly switched how i read you after I read the game.

So what was your original read based on? Just the last page at that time? Just at Mucho Man voting me? I’d like to know.

[lucca261]

I do think there is merit to claiming only if there's another protective role.

[lucca261]

Hey @Comical, answer me this.

Why do you were so confident with Clap being town while reading D1 if you were scumreading Gyp for moving from Margot's wagon? You know, when Clap did the same thing. @290.

Was this read really true?

Gyp was first, weren’t they?

No. Check @290. Clap unvoted Margot just after FuDuzn put her on E-3. Middle of day one.

But it doesn't matter anymore given your claim. Was warming up to Macho!scum on my re-read (before the replace out) but anyway

[lucca261]

2.5

Upwards (4): Gypyx,

Comical

,

Naerys

, Laplacian
Prince of Paterson (1): DeltaWave

Comical

(1): Enchant

Not Voting (4): Upwards, lucca261, Prince of Paterson, Hu Tao



2.6

Enchant (5): Prince of Paterson, Gypyx,

Naerys

, Laplacian, Hu Tao
Upwards (1):

Comical

Prince of Paterson (1): DeltaWave

Comical

(1): Enchant

Not Voting (2): Upwards, lucca261


2.7

Enchant (4): Prince of Paterson,

Naerys

, Laplacian, Hu Tao
Upwards (1):

Comical

Prince of Paterson (1): DeltaWave

Comical

(1): Enchant

Not Voting (3): Upwards, lucca261, Gypyx


2.7.2 (labeled as a 2nd 2.7)

Enchant (4):

Naerys

, Laplacian, Hu Tao, Deltawave

Comical

(1): Enchant
lucca261 (1): Prince of Paterson

Not Voting (4): Upwards, lucca261, Gypyx,

Comical

Now let's check the most current conditions.

Upwards, imo, obvious newtown, has Lap yet again coming for a return in form on the 4th slot. But wait, just when you think the storm is about to pass, an Enchant wagon starts up, and what do we see? Laplacian once more...next to Hu Tao and Deltawave, another pairing of the 3 of them together. Interesting.

Notice how when the Enchant wagon starts to dissipate, Deltawave votes keeping the momentum rolling.

What makes you think Upwards is newtown and Lap isn't? Their gameplay has been pretty similar, almost symmetrical

[lucca261]

win-win-win

frankly, this game is over.

it's Lap + Hu Tao or Lap + Lucca like almost always this game unless Delta scum.

mass claim would trap scum, but we can be basicc with 2 c's this game, that's fine. Naerys already outed, so solid chances.

Scum kill me, I flip, and then sheep my reads after im conf towned.

Make a case for Lap + Lucca. This is going to be good

[Comical]

Also feels like Upwards fake, amirite

I said fake fake fakity fake

Fake fake fakity fake

Feels like the MACHO MAN snapped into your slim Jim, ooooh yeeeeaaah

I can’t speak for the macho man

Ok then, please just let me hear your own thoughts on 1005.

I think your gamma vote specifically and how it came about was townie.

After i saw the rest of your gameplay, and how you’re still learning the forum mafia style like this, and i kinda felt like you vibe check voted Gamma.

I also agree with pings on Hu Tao/Delta, i don’t really have concrete for Hu Tao.

Ok now where’s this complete 180 coming from? Also I most definitely don’t want to vibe check, I am trying to use logic here.

I clearly switched how i read you after I read the game.

So what was your original read based on? Just the last page at that time? Just at Mucho Man voting me? I’d like to know.

Thought it was scummy you were trying to act like I should know Mucho Man’s thought process. Then I found out you were newer to forum mafia, and your interactions with Gamma, I was able to feel where you were coming from and didn’t think you were pushing them as scum. I felt like you came across T/T, and that scum were taking advantage of Gamma fighting with townies.

[Comical]

I’m also semi baiting with my energy to try and see who tries to pounce.

Lap and Delta are the two biggest offenders of that, but I’m starting to think Delta just town who doesn’t get ‘it’.

If that’s the case, why would you ever tell us that you’re baiting? Now who is supposed to fall for it anymore?

Or are you already finished? In that case, can you detail your findings a bit more please.

I like to bait people to come after me and discredit me because generally if I’m wrong, scum sheep me, and try to get me to tunnel townies, if I’m right, people chop me down trying to make me lose credibility in the gamestate.

It’s happening already.

These fools coming at me from all angles, especially now that they know I’m a PR.

[Flavor Leaf]

Delta clearly coming at it in bad faith, but don’t know if they’re scum or just a surface level analyzer.

[Comical]

Delta clearly coming at it in bad faith, but don’t know if they’re scum or just a surface level analyzer.

[lucca261]

45-7

Spoiler:

I don't really think that Enchant - Upwards on this page is TvT honestly. @1111 feels incredibly aggressive when Upwards did not really play like that the whole game. In fact, I think felt like he faked the aggression after being questioned by Gyp on Enchant. (which I can see him doing as town, btw).
And Enchant had his first game determinative post of the game. The fact it was after questioning by Upwards of all people is weird.

It not only feels that way, it really is unusually aggressive for my standards and I meant every word. For the simple reason that I realized that I won’t make progress here otherwise.

Now that you’re back, I’d still be interested in the answer you promised in 1006. As well as elaborating on your 1209if you will.

I don't remember exactly the details, but the E-1 situation for me:

• HT offering to quickhammer is NAI for me. People just like to hammer and it was clearly a bluff. She made the threat against both Margot/Gamma, but the fact that she got cold feet with a scum player already off the wagon? Yeah I do not see a huge problem.
  
• Delta putting Gamma at E-1 after criticizing HT for a possible quickhammer is a little scummy, sure. But it's policy here on MafiaScum (or at least it was) to wait for intent and I think Delta respects HT as a player to know she's not going to hammer without intent, even after the threat. Delta's argument that no one would expect Gamma to hammer herself has credence even if Delta's scum. I really do not think that Delta!scum would put Gamma at E-1 thinking she was going to hammer herself.

Now, answer me this.
You like to talk a lot about D1. Have you had any reads that changed during the night? Specifically between the Gamma flip and the start of the day? Something that caught your eye during the night?

[Comical]

win-win-win

frankly, this game is over.

it's Lap + Hu Tao or Lap + Lucca like almost always this game unless Delta scum.

mass claim would trap scum, but we can be basicc with 2 c's this game, that's fine. Naerys already outed, so solid chances.

Scum kill me, I flip, and then sheep my reads after im conf towned.

Make a case for Lap + Lucca. This is going to be good

Simply VCA and separation in addition to the way you flow

[Comical]

I’m more positive with Lap, and Luca read is just going off that.

[Comical]

Imo, everything Upwards has been posting has been completely genuine and isn’t coming in bad faith. You can see in their posts when they ask questions, they genuinely want to know the answers, and you can’t always say that with people.

[Comical]

Even some townies, tbh

[Comical]

@Lucca - I’ve seen Lap before

[lucca261]

Imo, everything Upwards has been posting has been completely genuine and isn’t coming in bad faith. You can see in their posts when they ask questions, they genuinely want to know the answers, and you can’t always say that with people.

Even the interactions with Enchant? I kinda see Upwards going a little bit tryhard trying to gang up and act tough against a possible policy limmable slot

[Prince of Paterson]

VOTE: Comical

[Comical]

VOTE: Comical

Alright, i quit.

Lose your damn game with your bad tunnels this game, and lose your claimed Protective.

[Comical]

Garbage

[Comical]

The fact everyone pushed and tried to discredit is so bad

There’s clearly scum in there

But if you wanna lose the protective PR this game, be my guest.

[Comical]

Kinda done with the spam discrediting anyways.