Mini Normal 2323 [There is an Inventor] | FIN

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh fuck me, I was trying to holding my N2 invention as wifom. I'm a dumbass

[Gypyx]

13 players total. A wolf that gives out vig's. A cop-inventor. My inventions. A role-based cop role of sorts.
7+ positives for a Town to get, as they're uninformed.
That's over half the game on D1 that can be shown a positive for a gunsmith, that's actually crazy.

12 players*

[JacksonVirgo]

13 players total. A wolf that gives out vig's. A cop-inventor. My inventions. A role-based cop role of sorts.
7+ positives for a Town to get, as they're uninformed.
That's over half the game on D1 that can be shown a positive for a gunsmith, that's actually crazy.

12 players*

Even worse lmfao

[biancospino]

votecount

Votecount 3-VII

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to hammer, or 4 to decide for no execution.

Duelist Kage (2):

Gypyx, JacksonVirgo

Enchant (1):

Duelist Kage

Not Voting (5):

davesaz, Elements, Enchant, Thomith, Hu tao

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-23 05:00:23).
  
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[Gypyx]

even more reason to belive we're in a 2 scum game imo

anyways, i think it's the only vote i feel kinda good about today, sorry VOTE: Enchant

[JacksonVirgo]

even more reason to belive we're in a 2 scum game imo

How?

[JacksonVirgo]

anyways, i think it's the only vote i feel kinda good about today, sorry VOTE: Enchant

Do u think the remaining wolf os in my pool I just said?

[Gypyx]

even more reason to belive we're in a 2 scum game imo

How?

town would need some extremely guaranteed and powerful roles to outweight a 9v3 with 2 kills per night

the closest we have to consistency is a jailkeeper / a follower

[Gypyx]

anyways, i think it's the only vote i feel kinda good about today, sorry VOTE: Enchant

Do u think the remaining wolf os in my pool I just said?

I think your claim is the only one i'm doubtful of right now, or maybe kage but it's a stretch

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd be shocked if you didn't doubt my claim

[JacksonVirgo]

both

your role and Kage benefits the wolves more than the Town. You can for sure argue that yours was to supplement the Towns fight against the vig's but like a macho-maker and the strengthener is like almost entirely a negative utility role, especially with a JK and a protection-based invention in the game. The Gunsmith that has a positive on everybody and their mother is not counteracting powerful scum kills, it's to find PRs/some inventions. Like it has a positive on every claimed and flipped PR in the game right now + more from the inventions.

[Gypyx]

I'd be shocked if you didn't doubt my claim

Yeah sorry i'm predictable most boring plays of 2023

but i also view the way you played around all that as very towny individually so like, it's ok?

[Gypyx]

both

your role and Kage benefits the wolves more than the Town. You can for sure argue that yours was to supplement the Towns fight against the vig's but like a macho-maker and the strengthener is like almost entirely a negative utility role, especially with a JK and a protection-based invention in the game. The Gunsmith that has a positive on everybody and their mother is not counteracting powerful scum kills, it's to find PRs/some inventions. Like it has a positive on every claimed and flipped PR in the game right now + more from the inventions.

Reminder that the strengthener is personal so it pretty much doesn't benefit scum, or like, half as much

[JacksonVirgo]

Reminder that the strengthener is personal so it pretty much doesn't benefit scum, or like, half as much

Ah yeah thank you, I forgot that part

[JacksonVirgo]

The only thing I don't super duper like is the macho-maker which doesn't make much sense to have but I'm willing to overlook that for now. Kage on the other hand, that's almost certainly a scum role masked to look like a town one. If not by social play (aka he's a v-cop or something), then it's made with the Godfather in mind to be a safe fake-claim for them.

[Gypyx]

The only thing I don't super duper like is the macho-maker which doesn't make much sense to have but I'm willing to overlook that for now. Kage on the other hand, that's almost certainly a scum role masked to look like a town one. If not by social play (aka he's a v-cop or something), then it's made with the Godfather in mind to be a safe fake-claim for them.

Combined BG vig shoots the machoified guy

BG doesn't work

free vig shot (big)

[JacksonVirgo]

The only thing I don't super duper like is the macho-maker which doesn't make much sense to have but I'm willing to overlook that for now. Kage on the other hand, that's almost certainly a scum role masked to look like a town one. If not by social play (aka he's a v-cop or something), then it's made with the Godfather in mind to be a safe fake-claim for them.

Combined BG vig shoots the machoified guy

BG doesn't work

free vig shot (big)

Hey, how about you stop making sense

[Gypyx]

what is kage's role exactly btw? didn't understeand that part too much

[JacksonVirgo]

what is kage's role exactly btw? didn't understeand that part too much

He appears to be Katsuku 2.0. A JOAT with a Gunsmith, Follower and a Modifier Cop. All of which aid in finding PRs instead of wolves in this setup

[Gypyx]

The only thing I don't super duper like is the macho-maker which doesn't make much sense to have but I'm willing to overlook that for now. Kage on the other hand, that's almost certainly a scum role masked to look like a town one. If not by social play (aka he's a v-cop or something), then it's made with the Godfather in mind to be a safe fake-claim for them.

Combined BG vig shoots the machoified guy

BG doesn't work

free vig shot (big)

Hey, how about you stop making sense

vote me out or suffer Jacksonvirgo

[Gypyx]

what is kage's role exactly btw? didn't understeand that part too much

He appears to be Katsuku 2.0. A JOAT with a Gunsmith, Follower and a Modifier Cop. All of which aid in finding PRs instead of wolves in this setup

I see

unrelated but it seems we have 3 inventors and 2 JOATs, would kinda make sense for one of both to be scum?

regardless i think we wait a bit before killing kage regardless

[JacksonVirgo]

I have a few pools right now. I have the wagons that Dann avoided voting { enchant / kage }
I have the two pools based on who Dann flipped their read on { Gypyx / Thom } { Enchant / Kage }
And then I have the lack of actions + no other reason to TR them in { Thom / Enchant }.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm unsure if Town would truly have two JOATs and two Inventors, I guess with double kills and two wolves who can do that type of thing it

could

make sense but I severely doubt it. I probably stick to my guns that I went with early today and just say we wipe Enchant and Kage from the game and that probably just wins us the game in a 2-wolf game and then solve in Thom/Gypyx if it's a 3-wolf game. That's just from my perspective of course. Scum needs to dig their feet in to win this, which makes me feel like it's Kage over Enchant and I still believe that completely but I am okay with Enchant as a wagon.

[Duelist Kage]

what is kage's role exactly btw? didn't understeand that part too much

He appears to be Katsuku 2.0. A JOAT with a Gunsmith, Follower and a Modifier Cop. All of which aid in finding PRs instead of wolves in this setup

Please stop misgendering me. And are you seriously arguing that scum would not just forgo their nightkill to use a Follower shot, but find a Jailkeep+investigative with it and then... not kill them?

[JacksonVirgo]

Please stop misgendering me. And are you seriously arguing that scum would not just forgo their nightkill to use a Follower shot, but find a Jailkeep+investigative with it and then... not kill them?

Sorry for the misgendering.

You placed a snuck premise in that statement. I have not drunk the 2-wolf coolaid so refrain from throwing down your assumptions down my throat and pretending I am making arguments with them.

Regarding the kill, I feel it's incredibly likely that the wolves would use the vig/hider shots first. Given how they'd 100% claim it if it were the vig/bg and that the wolves are incredibly unlikely to give away the base vigilante shot first which means the N1 and N2 factional kills are

missing

entirely. Why would this be the case? It doesn't make sense without some out of the box thinking, or wifom arguments from the wolves which would be what you're doing now. I also don't have the information that the wolves would have, so you're asking me to assume scum motivation where I have no logical way of discerning that outside of theories which I already see your the type of person to just throw away anything that doesn't 100% force you to change your way of thinking considering you've already done it many times.

I can see four worlds

1. The wolves are choosing to refrain from killing.
2. The kills have been blocked twice in a row.
3. The wolves cannot kill.
4. Magical fourth world where I am overlooking or lacking a piece of information

The likelihood of wolves choosing to not kill is incredibly low considering the amount of kill-power they seem to have. 3 kills is exponentially better than 1/2, plus that kill would be directly controlled by the wolves as opposed to put in the hands of the Town.

I don't remember who Elements said they blocked N2 but regardless, they blocked dave N1 and I doubt anybody believes them to be a wolf considering the circumstances surrounding them.

So, chances are that the wolves just simply cannot kill. What world would land in a no-kill world? One where all the wolves are compulsive and thus cannot have access to the night kill at all, which is the theory that has been cooking in my mind a lot since Thom had started the theory D2. Which is massively not what I expect from a Normal but it's a complex and it's already tripped me out with the mech so what's stopping it really. It would make sense in a 2 or 3 scum world given that the remaining scum can still use Dann's inventions.