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[Elements]

Bloop

[Gypyx]

spicy

i guess scum could've noticed kyouko looked like she indeed has a PR and roleblocked off of that? it's not inconcievable anyways

pedit : never trust genshin impact characters

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

I think the same plan is fine. I think we need Dave to agree though

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't think it's actually necessary to cross-invention each other, I just said each other cuz it seems cleaner to think about but if u got a Macho left, you should probably place it on someone scummy so that if it lands and somebody gets a suicide-vig they can avoid killing themselves.

[Gypyx]

I don't think it's actually necessary to cross-invention each other, I just said each other cuz it seems cleaner to think about but if u got a Macho left, you should probably place it on someone scummy so that if it lands and somebody gets a suicide-vig they can avoid killing themselves.

i think it would be more pertinent to give out the compulsive strengthener? like, macho *might* land us a kill, but having a scum permanently blocked from killing is way better value

[JacksonVirgo]

Lim Enchant.
Dave kills Kage
Gypyx places Macho on Thom
JV gives someone unknown an invention
Hu Tao / Elements just vibing, watching netflix or something

Just letting everybody know that I'm okay with claiming but idt it benefits us at all and it's better hidden

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't think it's actually necessary to cross-invention each other, I just said each other cuz it seems cleaner to think about but if u got a Macho left, you should probably place it on someone scummy so that if it lands and somebody gets a suicide-vig they can avoid killing themselves.

i think it would be more pertinent to give out the compulsive strengthener? like, macho *might* land us a kill, but having a scum permanently blocked from killing is way better value

How would scum be permanently blocked from killing?

[Gypyx]

compulsive

[JacksonVirgo]

compulsive

I mean if the wolf with the vig inventor got it from being a backup. That would make them compulsive too so it kinda just voids that idea

[Gypyx]

god i'm so bad at keeping track of this setup

guess i'm fine with machoing then yeah, might target thom might not who knows

[Duelist Kage]

Look, here's a breakdown of worst case scenario if we were in a 3 wolf world. Thomith's wasn't dire enough because he forgot about the N2 kill.

9 town/3 wolf
D1 miselimination
8/3
N1 kill, vig dispensed
7/3 on D2
D2 miselimination
6/3
N2 kill, 2 deaths from vig invention
3/3 starting D3 = game over


This is not balanced. There's potential for scum to get vigged or target the same as the town vig, but I don't believe bianco makes a game with a

larger

than standard scum team and then puts in extra killing power which is largely controlled by wolves.

I'll review the suggested plan later when I have more time but my initial impression is that Jackson is still being a paranoid tunneller and hopefully it doesn't even matter because Enchant is my prime suspect right now.

[JacksonVirgo]

Look, here's a breakdown of worst case scenario if we were in a 3 wolf world. Thomith's wasn't dire enough because he forgot about the N2 kill.

9 town/3 wolf
D1 miselimination
8/3
N1 kill, vig dispensed
7/3 on D2
D2 miselimination
6/3
N2 kill, 2 deaths from vig invention
3/3 starting D3 = game over


This is not balanced. There's potential for scum to get vigged or target the same as the town vig, but I don't believe bianco makes a game with a

larger

than standard scum team and then puts in extra killing power which is largely controlled by wolves.

I'll review the suggested plan later when I have more time but my initial impression is that Jackson is still being a paranoid tunneller and hopefully it doesn't even matter because Enchant is my prime suspect right now.

And in the world where there is no scum factional kill cuz of compulsive wolves.

9v3 wcs
Elim into 8v3
Vig vended 8v3
Elim into 7v3
Vig vended + 2 town dead 5v3
Elim into 4v3
Vig vended + 2 town dead 2v3

That's worst case scenario.
Wolves got 1.33 KPN by N3 and then it once again drops because that's exhausting the double kills.
And that's additional KPN that's risky as fuck due to it being in the hands of the Town

AND

delayed so it can be dealt with by the JK, the doctor invention, or gypyx's utility to control the killing somewhat. 3+ ways to block the kills, plus a slow and not even that beneficial kill method for the scum that's only barely beneficial by numbers over a traditional night kill that would only really benefit them if they're super lucky or they had excellent thread control

If you run it normally
9v3 elims into 8v3
kills into 7v3
elims into 6v3
kills into 5v3
elims into 4v3
kills into 3v3

Notice how it's pretty much the exact same?

[JacksonVirgo]

Plus even in a 2-wolf world, that would make the final wolf taking the compulsive vig inventor which makes them compulsive, which removes their factional kill.

[Enchant]

I don't remember giving my consent for this plan, so see you in court

[Enchant]

even more reason to belive we're in a 2 scum game imo

anyways, i think it's the only vote i feel kinda good about today, sorry VOTE: Enchant

I forgive you

[Gypyx]

yay ^.^

i can be your lawyer if you want

[Enchant]

You need to be prosecutor or lawyer, can't be both.

[davesaz]

Not sure I believe Elements claim. The time to claim who the action was on was immediately, not after an eternity of thought about what wouldn't be incriminating.
Also, was the follow (?) result "rolecop" or "rolecop-like"? Could make a difference as what Elements said was vanilla cop. A rolecop would be able to give a specific role.
I think it's a good thing now that I haven't said what my role is other than having received the invention.
I've been working and only skimmed about 2-3 pages so might have missed a detail or two...

Hu Tao needs to leave things hanging a bit longer for reaction tests, instead of giving up on the very next post. Or be a little less direct, like are you sure you jk'd me etc. Don't go as far as JV did that other game though, something in the goldilocks range.

[Hu Tao]

Yeah. I'm surprised if kyouko jailed Dave she would think he could be scum if no kill. Which makes me wonder. I think gamma's reaction makes sense. If she saw someone jail someone and vote right away, gamma would think it's a guilty. So I'm not scumreading kage as much anymore.

[Hu Tao]

Kage do you have any more shots of anything?

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