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[Gypyx]

Logically I think it should just be between Me/Hu Tao?

4 VTs in this setup though makes me unsure?

You're my most confident townread right now and i do think only 4 PRs against such an explosive power from scum would be even weirder

[JacksonVirgo]

oh my bad now i misunderstood how role guard works

i'm in my girlfailure era sorry

Oh it just is like a Watcher but sees the roles that visited instead. Which isn't all that strong but definitely more useful than a Neighbourizer at this point, I just didn't really think which would actually be better even though neither is really better at this point

[Gypyx]

@Mod can we get confirmation that a lazy compulsive something wouldn't have to act with one scum left?

That is correct; a lazy compulsive nonfactional ability need not, and in fact cannot, be used when only one nonvillage is left

(it may still be attempted to be used, but would have no effect)

[Thomith]

So yeah, wolves likely can now maul.

[Gypyx]

I do think Elements and Hu Tao scum slipped together so I don't really think the wolves are anywhere else. Which makes me all depresso as they were my top TRs, ugh

what's the slip in question?

[JacksonVirgo]

I do think Elements and Hu Tao scum slipped together so I don't really think the wolves are anywhere else. Which makes me all depresso as they were my top TRs, ugh

what's the slip in question?

Well slip is probably not the right word. Elements' guessed Hu Tao didn't act the night after I gave them the invention (and the invention was public info at this point). Hu Tao then did a weak, and tbh just completely fake, reaction test on Elements that lasted 2 seconds and then they gave up on it which gives me the vibe of "Oh town-me would be doing this, so I'll do this" but never committed to it at all. I feel that's incredibly likely to come from scum that knew Hu Tao wouldn't counter-claim them and then they had to attempt to distance from that. I don't see why Elements would risk getting counterclaimed by

two

people when they had the option to double-down on Dave to limit risk or to have JK'd a VT claim.

[Gypyx]

I do think Elements and Hu Tao scum slipped together so I don't really think the wolves are anywhere else. Which makes me all depresso as they were my top TRs, ugh

what's the slip in question?

Well slip is probably not the right word. Elements' guessed Hu Tao didn't act the night after I gave them the invention (and the invention was public info at this point). Hu Tao then did a weak, and tbh just completely fake, reaction test on Elements that lasted 2 seconds and then they gave up on it which gives me the vibe of "Oh town-me would be doing this, so I'll do this" but never committed to it at all. I feel that's incredibly likely to come from scum that knew Hu Tao wouldn't counter-claim them and then they had to attempt to distance from that. I don't see why Elements would risk getting counterclaimed by

two

people when they had the option to double-down on Dave to limit risk or to have JK'd a VT claim.

That's very fair

guess i'll wait a bit to see what Hu Tao has to say but i kinda struggle beliving it's anyone else

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I'm fairly confident it's just Hu Tao

[Duelist Kage]

I will be very disappointed if wolves actually get to kill here finally. It

should

matter that we took the second one out and are in 4-1 here rather than 3-2.

I guess I've got to agree that Hu seems the most likely suspect. If Jackson's 1-shot Doc invention is scum too, I'm just going to cry. The jailkeeper was scum. There's bonus kills all over the place. We might not even make it to 3P ELO despite being at 4-1. The setup is definitely chaos.

I guess I'll have to revisit what might've been going on with kills. If Hu is the godfather, she must have been compulsively doing

something

also in order to not be able to use Maul. Hopefully something totally useless to the wolves.

[Duelist Kage]

I guess there was also dave's role to potentially limit the carnage- hadn't really even looked at his flip. So a 1-shot doc invention and an odd-night Bulletproof (when N1 isn't going to have a kill anyway) for protective abilities. Against probably three nights of double kills.

Who did the doc go to?

[JacksonVirgo]

Katsuki unfortunately

[JacksonVirgo]

Gypyx and I both threw our N2 inventions to the aether

[Gypyx]

I will be very disappointed if wolves actually get to kill here finally. It

should

matter that we took the second one out and are in 4-1 here rather than 3-2.

I guess I've got to agree that Hu seems the most likely suspect. If Jackson's 1-shot Doc invention is scum too, I'm just going to cry. The jailkeeper was scum. There's bonus kills all over the place. We might not even make it to 3P ELO despite being at 4-1. The setup is definitely chaos.

I guess I'll have to revisit what might've been going on with kills. If Hu is the godfather, she must have been compulsively doing

something

also in order to not be able to use Maul. Hopefully something totally useless to the wolves.

i mean, it matters kinda, if we were 3 v 2 today we would litterally lose the game regardless of if we lim correctly or not

[Duelist Kage]

Also Elements was a rolecop, not vanilla cop like she claimed. I wonder why the switch. Obviously she never targeted dave or she'd have been able to claim his info accurately. Who would she have targeted, then? Feels likely to be relevant. Not Jackson because his invention went through to Hu. Probably not Gypyx because Black had the gun which could've been either invention but if she was rolecopped they probably would've tried to kill her next as a PR that could mess with their stuff? I guess it's possible Hu was the n1 target instead but why lie about the night?

[Gypyx]

Also Elements was a rolecop, not vanilla cop like she claimed. I wonder why the switch. Obviously she never targeted dave or she'd have been able to claim his info accurately. Who would she have targeted, then? Feels likely to be relevant. Not Jackson because his invention went through to Hu. Probably not Gypyx because Black had the gun which could've been either invention but if she was rolecopped they probably would've tried to kill her next as a PR that could mess with their stuff? I guess it's possible Hu was the n1 target instead but why lie about the night?

She probably copped someone who was viewed as somewhat conftown but for whom it would've been weird to target?

I gues the only profile that fit this is black which could make sense if we think Katsuki was the one with the gun

[Duelist Kage]

Black was townread day one? Boy, then I really don't have a good sense of how this went from my patchwork reading. I saw a lot of suspicion that she and Dragon were teamed. I doubt they would try to investigate Black, I expect they wanted her to die from the vig given n1 in which case her role probably doesn't matter.

[Hu Tao]

Elements' claimed that she JK'd Hu Tao on N2. It was public information that Hu Tao received my invention on N1, why would Elements risk getting called out like that unnecessarily when the chances were that an invention received N1 gets used N2. I don't like that at all. I gotta re-address my TR on Hu Tao. The fact I just about lock-towned a wolf is scary enough that I have to rebase myself.

pedit: Yeah as likely chance dave had the vig and shot Elements

I didn't use an invention n2 so had no way of knowing

[Hu Tao]

Actually, maybe wolves simply don't have access to the factional kill? That would explain how nights went

Then the redacted PMs of the wolves would be a mod lie?

I was going to say that maybe scum aren't killing and the vig shots are the killing they are doing

[Hu Tao]

kinda think it's hu tao by PoE?

Yeah I came to the same conclusion, not completely PoE. I still feel it's awkward that Elements' guessed that they didn't use the action, was correct and then Hu Tao did this weak 2-second reaction test about it

You seriously can't think it's me. I've known you've been inventor since d2

[Hu Tao]

Detective, Doctor, Neighbourizer, Role Guard
Given in that order, except the last one is unused.

Wait um. You didn't give me anything n2?

[Hu Tao]

I do think Elements and Hu Tao scum slipped together so I don't really think the wolves are anywhere else. Which makes me all depresso as they were my top TRs, ugh

Stop

[Hu Tao]

Yeah I'm fairly confident it's just Hu Tao

Shall I remind you my day 1 reads

[Hu Tao]

Also I used a detective shot last night. And it was useless of course. I got Kage has never killed anyone

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Dragon

This feels like scum dragon unfortunately.

@Black, Naerys, Hu Tao, how do you feel about voting Kyo here?

Yes! I was just about to!!

VOTE: Kyouko

I'm sus of katsuki, kyouko, Dragon, gamma and Camel.

Not in any order. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 scum is in there.

Well majority seems to think there is a scum in kyouko/gamma/Dragon. Possibly two

Just vote kyouko. This isn't town kyouko. When she's town she's overly town. This game she's not.

[Hu Tao]

I should have never gone off mech stuff, it always messed me up. I'm going back to just reads.