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[Hu Tao]

I'm kinda depressed with both Black and Katsuki gone

Same

[Hu Tao]

I'm sorry but I still think gamma was scum. And I don't think day ends without the vote on duelist

[Hu Tao]

Agreed

[Hu Tao]

I'm fine with this course of action

[Hu Tao]

Gunsmith seems sus idk

[Hu Tao]

Gunsmith seems sus idk

Why?

Just considering the vig role and a potential back up. I'm not sure how they would get a guilty

[Hu Tao]

Kage/Gamma based of dragon/dann iso

Dragon - Felt like he was trying to set gamma up as a mislim option for a later day. No proper push but general discrediting whenever it was bought up. There's also very little direct interaction between them which I think should be noteworthy. - Unlikely partnered
Dann - Comes in and immediately towns gamma? Does a weird reaction vote that that just points more to town!gamma. Then there's 1947]/post], [post]2027, 2040 that are all very what? and 2124 however wifomy you want to look into - this doesn't scream partners to me but it feels very weird. 2124 feels very much like Dann is trying to setup a mislim on gamma. but the weird interactions make me think it's meant to look like that.
I think enchant/thomith have greater partner equity

Did you see where gamma thought kyouko had a guilty on dragon?

[Hu Tao]

Did you see where gamma thought kyouko had a guilty on dragon?

why did people think kyo had a guilty on dragon?

Idk you had to just be there

[Hu Tao]

I think we just wait for Kage to full claim then vote tbh

[Hu Tao]

Um. So what's the claims going on here? I'm lost

[Hu Tao]

Okay. What are claims?

[Hu Tao]

I'm VT

[Hu Tao]

Gypyx being Lazy Inventor gives another reason to not resolve 1vs1 really.

There is no 1v1 in ba sing se

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

Need to read over claims and such

[Hu Tao]

yeah whatever i'll fullclaim

i'm a lazy Inventor (announcing FruitVendor, Cop-Inventor, compulsive personal Strengthener, Macho)

i gave the cop inventor invention to black night 1, this might be what caused the gunsmith guilty

assuming every claim as true, this would make the setup the following :

Town lazy Inventor (announcing FruitVendor, Cop-Inventor, compulsive personal Strengthener, 1-shot activated Macho)
Town JOAT (activated Ascetic, activated Informed, activated UniversalBackup)
Town combined JKer investigative
Town with a gunsmith and follower shot
6VT

Werewolf lazy weak compulsive Inventor (compulsive combined Vigilante Bodyguard x2, compulsive combined Vigilante Hider x2, compulsive strongwilled weak Vigilante)
Werewolf ???

this feels like it makes sense?

I'm also an inventor, I am not claiming at all but Hu Tao can confirm or deny if I got JK'd n1

You were not jail kept. It's pretty clear that Dragon was jailkept no? It looks like kyouko did have a guilty?

[Hu Tao]

I'm so confused

[Hu Tao]

Good point. Elements what were your actions n1 and n2 again?

[Hu Tao]

There's no multitasking.

Individual roles can be multi-tasking

Did you read the link to the Normal changes that I posted earlier?

What was your n2 action? Sorry I think I missed it

[Hu Tao]

You sound like you want to counter-claim inventor. I don't think there's any need for that. There can totally be two inventors and they don't necessarily need to be stocked with things likely to be helpful. I believe Gypyx's roleclaim. It's way more complex and situationally relevant for than necessary for something she'd have just decided to put together to spuriously claim without need.

I feel it's very clear I thought Gypyx was a wolf before switching to you, and now they're claiming my role with scum-sided inventions

I think gypyx is town tbh. Probably cause kitty was probably town

[Hu Tao]

Wait. Elements who did your slot jailkeep n1?

[Hu Tao]

So we need to find people who didn't action n1. I get it now.

[Hu Tao]

So we need to find people who didn't action n1. I get it now.

I still don't subscribe to the one wolf mentality but if it's true it would make elements, myself, gypyx and kage all confirmed non-town based on N1 actions and then there's dave cleared by the vig stuff leaving only Thom/Enchant/Hu Tao and it isn't you idt

If there was no kill day 1 and Dave was jailed day 1 doesn't that mean he could have been making the night kill or no

[Hu Tao]

I think Dave should be jailed again by elements tonight

[Hu Tao]

Did he ever say what kind of vig it was?

[Hu Tao]

Which do you think

[Hu Tao]

Hmm. I think it's best to jail them then no?

[Hu Tao]

Did elements full claim?

[Hu Tao]

Elements please claim. Can you do more jail keeps?

[Hu Tao]

If I humour not playing conservatively, (and p-edit, if elements can even act) I mean we can funnel actions to sort the entire 4+ player PoE in one cycle. An example world that I'm just coming up with off the top of my head is to:
1. Lim Enchant
2. Dave kills Kage
3. Elements blocks Thom
4. Gypyx / JV gives each other an invention.
5. Hu Tao vibes (or uses the invention I gave)

With this
- Enchant gets sorted
- Kage gets sorted
- Thom gets sorted
- Gypyx / JV solve whether it's a 2 or 3p wolf team.
- If it's a 3p wolf team and we flip a wolf today, Hu Tao gets sorted through Thom's inversion. Otherwise the same as below
- If it's a 2p wolf team, the unsorted resides in { Hu Tao, JV, Gypyx } in which we can resolve manually.

I'm fine with this

[Hu Tao]

If I humour not playing conservatively, (and p-edit, if elements can even act) I mean we can funnel actions to sort the entire 4+ player PoE in one cycle. An example world that I'm just coming up with off the top of my head is to:
1. Lim Enchant
2. Dave kills Kage
3. Elements blocks Thom
4. Gypyx / JV gives each other an invention.
5. Hu Tao vibes (or uses the invention I gave)

With this
- Enchant gets sorted
- Kage gets sorted
- Thom gets sorted
- Gypyx / JV solve whether it's a 2 or 3p wolf team.
- If it's a 3p wolf team and we flip a wolf today, Hu Tao gets sorted through Thom's inversion. Otherwise the same as below
- If it's a 2p wolf team, the unsorted resides in { Hu Tao, JV, Gypyx } in which we can resolve manually.

coolio

Thom getting blocked doesn't work anyone.

[Hu Tao]

Any more *

[Hu Tao]

Thom should probably claim idk if he did yet

[Hu Tao]

Elements please claim. Can you do more jail keeps?

2-shot simple compulsive combined jailkeep vanilla cop

dave N1, you N2

She used both shots already

[Hu Tao]

Elements you jailkept me last night correct?

[Hu Tao]

We have all claims right?

[Hu Tao]

i missed dave's claim, what's his thing?

What's your claim again? What's a personal strengther do?

[Hu Tao]

Oh okay that's a shot not a modifier

[Hu Tao]

Okay well. I wasn't jailkept last night soooo. Elements is lying or some shenanigans going on.

[Hu Tao]

Ok I'm lying. I wanted to see what elements would say.

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

I think the same plan is fine. I think we need Dave to agree though

[Hu Tao]

Yeah. I'm surprised if kyouko jailed Dave she would think he could be scum if no kill. Which makes me wonder. I think gamma's reaction makes sense. If she saw someone jail someone and vote right away, gamma would think it's a guilty. So I'm not scumreading kage as much anymore.

[Hu Tao]

Kage do you have any more shots of anything?

[Hu Tao]

Oh good point. Did Dave n1 say vanilla too?

[Hu Tao]

Hm wait,

@Gypyx

you said that you scum-read Black. Why did you give Black an invention?

[Hu Tao]

True l think the plan is good

VOTE: Enchant

[Hu Tao]

Elements please claim. Can you do more jail keeps?

2-shot simple compulsive combined jailkeep vanilla cop

dave N1, you N2

Oh, just seeing this. Interesting. Your vanilla cop got results on both of them? Vanilla should be a clear because remaining scum is godfather/backup into inventor (or *sigh* compulsively doing something that blocks them from making a NK). I'm assuming someone having an invention would still show as vanilla but if that's not what you got on them it's worth double-checking.

I have vanilla clears on both of them and I checked that someone with an invention would still give a vanilla result because their role is still vanilla, they just have a thing now

Can you do the honour of hammering?

[Hu Tao]

Anyone can tbh

[Hu Tao]

Yes

[Hu Tao]

Elements' claimed that she JK'd Hu Tao on N2. It was public information that Hu Tao received my invention on N1, why would Elements risk getting called out like that unnecessarily when the chances were that an invention received N1 gets used N2. I don't like that at all. I gotta re-address my TR on Hu Tao. The fact I just about lock-towned a wolf is scary enough that I have to rebase myself.

pedit: Yeah as likely chance dave had the vig and shot Elements

I didn't use an invention n2 so had no way of knowing

[Hu Tao]

Actually, maybe wolves simply don't have access to the factional kill? That would explain how nights went

Then the redacted PMs of the wolves would be a mod lie?

I was going to say that maybe scum aren't killing and the vig shots are the killing they are doing

[Hu Tao]

kinda think it's hu tao by PoE?

Yeah I came to the same conclusion, not completely PoE. I still feel it's awkward that Elements' guessed that they didn't use the action, was correct and then Hu Tao did this weak 2-second reaction test about it

You seriously can't think it's me. I've known you've been inventor since d2

[Hu Tao]

Detective, Doctor, Neighbourizer, Role Guard
Given in that order, except the last one is unused.

Wait um. You didn't give me anything n2?

[Hu Tao]

I do think Elements and Hu Tao scum slipped together so I don't really think the wolves are anywhere else. Which makes me all depresso as they were my top TRs, ugh

Stop

[Hu Tao]

Yeah I'm fairly confident it's just Hu Tao

Shall I remind you my day 1 reads

[Hu Tao]

Also I used a detective shot last night. And it was useless of course. I got Kage has never killed anyone

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Dragon

This feels like scum dragon unfortunately.

@Black, Naerys, Hu Tao, how do you feel about voting Kyo here?

Yes! I was just about to!!

VOTE: Kyouko

I'm sus of katsuki, kyouko, Dragon, gamma and Camel.

Not in any order. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 scum is in there.

Well majority seems to think there is a scum in kyouko/gamma/Dragon. Possibly two

Just vote kyouko. This isn't town kyouko. When she's town she's overly town. This game she's not.

[Hu Tao]

I should have never gone off mech stuff, it always messed me up. I'm going back to just reads.

[Hu Tao]

Okay so. Who gave me an invention n2?

[Hu Tao]

The reason I thought elements was lying at first was because I thought jailkept was a rolestopper too and I got an invention n2. But then I asked mod just in case and they confirmed I would still get an invention n2 even if I was jailkept. I didn't want anyone to know I got 2 inventions so I played it off as a joke

[Hu Tao]

I knew Jackson was inventor and if I was scum I would have instructed partner to give him the vig shot

[Hu Tao]

I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly

Kitty was town from post 1

Who do you think is scum? I want to sheep you

I'm leaning Dragon at the moment but unsure. I'll need to look over everything again. I'm confused with kyouko being so adamant that Dragon is scum

I think there is at least 1 scum in them though.

If I was scum why would I be pushing both scum all of day 1 and 2.

I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly

Kitty was town from post 1

Who do you think is scum? I want to sheep you

Sheep them tomorrow too

And this made it obvious that you gave me the invention here.

[Hu Tao]

The reason I thought elements was lying at first was because I thought jailkept was a rolestopper too and I got an invention n2. But then I asked mod just in case and they confirmed I would still get an invention n2 even if I was jailkept. I didn't want anyone to know I got 2 inventions so I played it off as a joke

What inventions did you get again, and when did you get them?

I got a detective shot n1 and I got another shot n2. But someone hasn't claimed giving me it. So I'm a bit confused

[Hu Tao]

I'd rather have someone claim it

[Hu Tao]

Also did anyone get a vig shot last night?

[Hu Tao]

Ok so. Someone gave me something n2 and isn't claiming it?

[Hu Tao]

I assumed it was you who gave me the invention n2, so that's a bit sus

[Hu Tao]

So just want to confirm. No one is claiming to have given me an invention n2?

[Hu Tao]

What was kage's action n2?

[Hu Tao]

And this made it obvious that you gave me the invention here.

I was thinking maybe that was too obvious lmfao

I'm not scum here. If i was you wouldn't be alive lol

[Hu Tao]

I'm not scum here. If i was you wouldn't be alive lol

Except that's not necessarily true as scum hasn't had a factional kill that we can recognize at all

I'm saying I'd have given you the vig shot over dave

[Hu Tao]

I'm not scum here. If i was you wouldn't be alive lol

Except that's not necessarily true as scum hasn't had a factional kill that we can recognize at all

I'm saying I'd have given you the vig shot over dave

Why would you? I was hard town-reading you and elements

Better than having a town give inventions

[Hu Tao]

When this thought popped in my head I actually laughed, cuz it's the smartest thing. What if Hu Tao is attempting to sow doubt in the inventors by fake-claiming they received an invention that nobody is claiming, hoping it causes enough doubt that they cross-vote each other.

Stop with the bad takes. I don't want to scumread you here. But I need to reset and reevaluate everything. I wanted both scums day 1.

[Hu Tao]

Bruh. I was going to say. We should no lim today. Because we can have people who have inventions send them to confirm who isn't town.

[Hu Tao]

If you're town. In future games STOP RUSHING. please.

[Hu Tao]

I'm thinking it's Jackson. Gg if so

[Hu Tao]

Ah okay. Who was scum though?

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

I'm guessing it's end game since bianco would have just locked the thread if not. So my guess is Jackson. You played really well BTW if scum. Impressed

[Hu Tao]

This game was very winnable too. I'm pretty sad about that. I had Dragon and Kyouko day 1

[Hu Tao]

1. Bianco this was an AMAZING setup. Mechanically one of the best I've played on this site. Thanks for hosting this! (Pre-in for your next modded game pls)

2. Jackson that was impressive as I thought you were town until it was literally too late you played amazing.

[Hu Tao]

I was going to jump on Elements vanilla result on me being fake, but end of day went too fast and I came back to a locked thread.
Don't know if it would make a difference in the outcome, as I didn't have any good leads on last wolf to vig.

Oh. well we probably would have eliminated elements then. Yeah we should have waited longer

[Hu Tao]

Wait who gave me the cop invention??

[Hu Tao]

I can't believe it was katsuki who shot black and not the other way around

[Hu Tao]

Wait who gave me the cop invention??

black

i gave her the cop inventor

Ohhhh got it now

[Hu Tao]

It did take a long time to figure out scum wasn't killing. The jail keep is what threw me off

[Hu Tao]

I think us not realizing scum couldn't kill is what hurt us the most early game. Then it became very mechanical toward the end. But I really enjoyed it

[Hu Tao]

I didn't use detective night 2 cause I thought it would be strong late game. But it ended up being useless by the time I realized it