Mini Normal 2322: Game Over

[DragonEater70]

The fact that you have correct meta about me, know how to read me, I am in my town meta, and have done nothing for your read on me to suddeny change?

[Purplemango]

Oh yeah

That was also what I was thinking would be the solve if I was wrong on Black on Day 4. I think. Then I saw the hammer abd decided Purple was scum.

Purple, why did you hammer?

The points against her were relatively reasonable, and it was quite funny because of what pav said

If I were scum I would probably vote before this/wait for town to do it, it's not that the situation couldn't happen
It got me a lot of attention that will mostly bother me in the future, not something that helps. And I'm at a disadvantage in terms of defending myself against claims, So even more it doesn't make sense to me

Can you explain in more detail what your reasons are in this context?

[DragonEater70]

What was funny? And which points against her did you think were reasonable?

[DragonEater70]

Can you explain in more detail what your reasons are in this context?

Reasons for?

[Purplemango]

Can you explain in more detail what your reasons are in this context?

Reasons for?

Like, why do you think I'm scum for that?
(I will respond to you about the second thing later, a bit too much for me at the moment and phrasing and things like that, Explaining so it doesn't look like I'm trying to avoid it or something)

[Pavowski]

Cop and Vig vs Roleblocker Goon Goon does feel alright too.

In theory, if scum goes down day 1, they could lose on Day 2 with Guilty/Vig, so power is fine.

Cop, Vig, Jailkeeper vs Blocker Goon Goon still works, I think, but a lot stronger for scum. It could be 2 PR’s on scum in that case, a Blocker and then a 1-shot BP or something.

So setup wise, I can see Dragon either way.

Idk. I’m torn.

I just don't think agonizing over the mech gets us anywhere. Except to say that if Dragon is legit and we yeet him today, that's the game, cuz you'll be blocked and killed tonight.

Maybe if we yeet anybody not named Dragon and he attempts to use his jk as a block instead, but there's no guarantee that works.

We just have to take a leap of faith on him one way or another. I would rather go Purple or Hu Tao.

Fuck, am I actually townreading Pav now? No fucking way

Optimistic brain loves this, town!Dragon is finally figuring it out

Skeptical brain hates this, scum!Dragon is considering giving up on misyeeting me today

The timing is convenient, but then somebody is gonna have to change their mind on SOMEBODY here.

I just want optimistic brain to be right.

BLARG

I have no clue who scum is lol

Like i literally town read all yall, and everything i got is just paranoia tin foils.

But some of my paranoia tin foils are correct

I know your struggle Flavor

Thirded, the motion carries

[Pavowski]

Look, is it ... Is it *crazy* to consider no-lim today?

I mean ffs the last thing I want to do is drag this game out further but I just feel like getting 4 town to align perfectly is ... Very far away. Scum win with almost any mislim, a bus feels exceedingly unlikely.

And I know, tomorrow we still have to have 3 town align to win but that's one less person, and the NK would give us more to go on.

I mean imagine how your thinking changes when one of us is confirmed along with Flavor.

That *seems* to me like a better universe for town than the one we're in here.

Please feel free to explain to me all the reasons this is stupid and bad.

[Pavowski]

HOLY SHIT I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING

I thought today was Melo but actually, if scum quickhammers a townie today, Flavor and I jail/vig randomly between the quickhammerers. I have 50% chance to stop the kill. If scum blocks me, then Flavor has 100% chance to kill scum. If scum blocks Flavor it's 50% chance to stop the kill and 50% chance to lose. If scum blocks neither, we have 75% chance to either block the kill or kill scum.

Which means hammer tests are completely useless.

What this ALSO means is if we can lock one person as town (I'm leaning on that one person being geraint), then even if we miselim today we still have 50% to win.

Also if we miselim Flavor NEVER shoots me because if I'm scum I just block him and win, so for his shot to go through I have to be town.

Processing this. It assumes a quickhammer from scum, which might not happen (and feels less likely with this out there), but I'm glad it's out there.

Does scum!Dragon make this post?

[Hu Tao]

The fact there is no reasoning attached?

I stated it after

[Hu Tao]

The fact that you have correct meta about me, know how to read me, I am in my town meta, and have done nothing for your read on me to suddeny change?

So am I scum then?

[DragonEater70]

The fact there is no reasoning attached?

I stated it after

No you didn't.

VOTE: Dragon

This is so out of left field. Your last solve was me/purple. Please to explain

Maybe I was pocketed. Besides hpe my reads have been terrible all game. And even hpe I unvoted day 1, maybe I just need a reset

"My reads are bad" is not a reason to scumread someone. And also I am pretty sure there were several times you were right.

The fact that you have correct meta about me, know how to read me, I am in my town meta, and have done nothing for your read on me to suddeny change?

So am I scum then?

Did I say that?

[DragonEater70]

Look, is it ... Is it *crazy* to consider no-lim today?

I mean ffs the last thing I want to do is drag this game out further but I just feel like getting 4 town to align perfectly is ... Very far away. Scum win with almost any mislim, a bus feels exceedingly unlikely.

And I know, tomorrow we still have to have 3 town align to win but that's one less person, and the NK would give us more to go on.

I mean imagine how your thinking changes when one of us is confirmed along with Flavor.

That *seems* to me like a better universe for town than the one we're in here.

Please feel free to explain to me all the reasons this is stupid and bad.

Nice scum post.

[Pavowski]

Thanks. Don't address the idea or anything, that would be very silly indeed

[Hu Tao]

I do think it's possible that I needed a reset. And its not like scum can quick vote right now so I don't see the issue of voting you at the moment dragon

[DragonEater70]

Thanks. Don't address the idea or anything, that would be very silly indeed

The idea is very anti-town.

[DragonEater70]

I do think it's possible that I needed a reset. And its not like scum can quick vote right now so I don't see the issue of voting you at the moment dragon

The issue is not with voting me, it's with the lack of reasoning. But you know what, I'll let you have a reset.

I think I might need a reset myself.

[Pavowski]

Dammit Dragon. Seriously. I'm actually annoyed right now

I'm over here trying to engage with the thread and wrangle with this heinous situation, which at the very least, I have bemoaned, Flavor has bemoaned, and you have bemoaned. I'm trying to find town. I WANT YOU TO BE TOWN.

And I float this idea and you're just "eh. Scum." I 100% get that what I suggested could benefit scum. We lose a day, we don't get those votes on the record... I get it. What I asked was whether it was crazy to think it might benefit town considering where we're at.

I am town trying to find town. You think discrediting me like that feels to me like town trying to find town? No, it feels to me like scum!Dragon saying THANK HELL, HERE'S A REASON TO PUSH PAV. If you're town trying to win, I don't know how to break it to you, but YOU NEED MY VOTE.

You think I'm scum for it, that's fine. I'm used to you scum reading me for any reason you can grab onto. You're tired. I'm tired. This game is fucking brutal. But at least engage with what I said. Tell me why it's scummy. You think scum!pav made this post that's so obviously scummy everybody should just recognize it as scummy, but yet, I went ahead and made it anyway?GTFO.

Just... Jesus. Engage. If you're town, explain to the room and to me *why* my idea only comes from scum. I can't wait to hear it.

Please.

[Pavowski]

I do think it's possible that I needed a reset. And its not like scum can quick vote right now so I don't see the issue of voting you at the moment dragon

The issue is not with voting me, it's with the lack of reasoning. But you know what, I'll let you have a reset.

I think I might need a reset myself.

Fucking thirded. Motion to reset carries.

[Pavowski]

I apologize for the blowup but we have to find each other if you're town, dragon. I'm close, but don't shut the door in my face.

[Flavor Leaf]

There are legitimate reasons for everyone here to be town and scum, i don’t really like the no reasons push

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, full disclosure.

I don’t have more vig shots. I was 2-shot.

It’s another reason I was skeptical of Dragon with them claiming 2-shot earlier and then retracting.

[Flavor Leaf]

So if we misfade, we lose.

[Flavor Leaf]

I do think it's possible that I needed a reset. And its not like scum can quick vote right now so I don't see the issue of voting you at the moment dragon

The issue is not with voting me, it's with the lack of reasoning. But you know what, I'll let you have a reset.

I think I might need a reset myself.

Hu Tao hasn’t given reasons for majority of her reads all game, why is it only now bothering you?

We had to deal with that all game.

[DragonEater70]

I guess my play is as self-centered as hers (see Bingle's comment in 2321).

But more to the point, I was also frustrated with her TRing Pav for no reason last day phase, I just didn't know how to deal with it.

[DragonEater70]

Okay, full disclosure.

I don’t have more vig shots. I was 2-shot.

It’s another reason I was skeptical of Dragon with them claiming 2-shot earlier and then retracting.

So if we misfade, we lose.

Oh

I feel dumb

But I guess this makes the setup make more sense balance wise?