In post 46, bugspray wrote:
In post 45, Luca Blight wrote:
I'm about to go to bed, but right now my feeling is that bugs/Delta + 1 of the quiet ones is scum. I'm leaning town on Ketchup at the moment.
you can't call someone who hasn't posted in 9 hours a quiet one. i literally posted twice and then went to sleep. even when about to sleep you could not consider that is why I have not posted for the amount of time that is around one sleep? that is strange
but not as strange as the maybe scum pt slip
Here Bugs is immediately defensive and doesn't read the post properly. The main reason I find this post scummy is because they shade me while also halfheartedly agreeing to my observation regarding the scum pt slip, but then never following up on that.
This kind of question immediately after takes the limelight off of Bugs without really achieving anything. It actually makes me feel like Bugs/Ketchup could potentially be partners, which I might elaborate on later.
In post 55, bugspray wrote:
how is what i wrote a scum pt slip? it was literally directed at luca
This one is hard to explain, but it subconsciously reads to me that Bugs knows I'm Town - from the general perspective of the town, me and Bugs could potentially be partners, so directing the message at me alone doesn't necessarily mean it isn't a slip. That Bugs believes the message being directed at me means it can't be a slip, is in itself a slight perspective slip, if you follow me.
In post 56, bugspray wrote:
In post 24, Psyche wrote:
In post 22, Luca Blight wrote:
From my point of view, it's certainly not a strong view that one of you must be scum, but I sense something off with both of your openings, and don't necessarily feel like you would begin that way if bugs was your partner, although of course that is possible. I last played mafia a few years ago now but bugs always lacked confidence as scum so I could see a question like that being asked as an entrance point into the game, and I'm not sure you would put early pressure on your partner by pointing out such a flaw, as you would be overly sensitive to the fact that it could be construed as an awkward opening.
this explains downweight of "scum psyche / scum bugspray", but doesn't give why "scum psyche / town bugspray" and "town psyche / scum bugspray" scenarios are upweighted
why do you think we can't both be town? surely if you did you would have included us both being town as an alternative. seems like you are trying to take advantage of how scummy i just straight up always seem to appear (it's fucked up, i got TSE'd my most recent games) and then just be like low key appear more town than me
VOTE: psyche
I hard-scumread this, because remember Bugs just acknowledged the 'maybe scum-slip' of Delta and then completely neglects it and goes after Psyche instead (because they already knew it wasn't really a scum slip, perhaps). Bugs again completely fails to follow the context of what is being written, and is desperately trying to deflect onto another member of town who people have expressed suspicion of. Also, if Bugs is scum and psyche town then it makes sense for Bugs to go after psyche when you consider that if Bugs is condemned and flips red, then people already said that they believed Bugs and psyche were not teammates anyway, so it limits the association tells.
Also, it feels like another perspective slip. '
Why do you think we can't both be town'
feels like a really weird thing to ask if you're town.
In post 57, bugspray wrote:
if you don't add avatars to your account i will policy yeet you due to playability reasons
Another one to add to the collection of deflecting attention away immediately following a potentially incriminating post that is subject to scrutiny. It's difficult to explain, but it's like Bugs feels uncomfortable following the post against psyche, and feels the need to immediately change the tone to something a little more light-hearted. The same as they did earlier in
47.
In post 93, bugspray wrote:
In post 85, OutWorldER wrote:
bugspray's comment I do think is scummy and performative: to ask the question genuinely in the first place would require them to believe that the NRG (3 people) + listmod signed off on a game that had a role which is no longer normal/considered simple. It comes off to me as faking a dumbtell and also as a way to say "hey if I was scum I could've just asked this in scum PT".
But it being a genuine brainfart is
not
outside the realm of possibility. I've had dumber moments in my time playing mafia. If this is the case than you, Psyche, could very easily be scum trying to capitalize on a townie blunder, which is how I arrived at the either/or read since at the time I posted that your vote looked a bit more thought out than Drew's; Drew's looked more like a kneejerk reaction and it's why I lean town on him.
you are seriously misrepping this. people make mistakes very frequently. there is so mental gymnastics to ignore occam's razor. i had the concern the moment i read the game thread after checking my role pm and decided to immediately ask it publicly
Bugs is in survival mode and probably already fairly accepting of their inevitable condemnation. Bugs is not a confident player as scum, and is far more proactive as town. This is an easy read for me.
