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[Luca Blight]

btw i still have not read the posts you want me to read.
who does you refer to? it refers to you. the mafia player reading this

This is a disengaged player who will continue to draw out inactivity until their inevitable elimination at the end of the day, in the vain hope that people get distracted and another wagon will emerge. I've seen this pattern many times now. I say 'vain hope', perhaps not - in the meta I provided earlier I had Bugs pegged as scum from early day 1 but they managed to somehow survive until D3.

Town!Bugs is proactive and inquisitive, scum!bugs pretty much throws in the towel when caught. I don't expect much content from Bugs during this day phase.

[Luca Blight]

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Vote: ProjEctRy

You’ve had 3 meaningless posts and one post accusing a townie (me ;)). Not looking so good for you there my friend.

Happy belated birthday Luca!

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

[Luca Blight]

Yeah, Bugs is definitely scum this game.

Why?

If you kick out all the multitaskers, then who is going to do multiple night actions, moderator? in the sense that -

I'm trying to make sense of this post. Could this be a scum pt slip? A casual question to the mod like this, cut off mid post.

Why does she think the multitaskers are being kicked out? It's as though she is reading another thread, or am I missing something here?

I just want to bring attention back to this post to hear everyone's thoughts on it.

Right, off to bed.

I doubt it was a scum slip. They're not very common. I read it more like a joke based on the earlier conversation around multitasking

I'm just curious, did you understand the joke? I don't think it makes any sense unless you're intimately familiar with the video that Delta posted.

[Luca Blight]

If I had to stick my neck out right now, I'd say the scumteam is Bugs/Black/ketchup. That is probably quite controversial, but it makes sense to me right now.

Obviously we're still waiting for content from a few, but I sometimes like to make these early predictions just in case I hit the jackpot.

[iamveryhappy]

If I had to stick my neck out right now, I'd say the scumteam is Bugs/Black/ketchup.

That is probably quite controversial, but it makes sense to me right now.

Obviously we're still waiting for content from a few, but I sometimes like to make these early predictions just in case I hit the jackpot.

Talk to me about it

[Luca Blight]

If I had to stick my neck out right now, I'd say the scumteam is Bugs/Black/ketchup.

That is probably quite controversial, but it makes sense to me right now.

Obviously we're still waiting for content from a few, but I sometimes like to make these early predictions just in case I hit the jackpot.

Talk to me about it

I feel like they are both subtly redirecting from the Bugs wagon. Ketchup's townread and refusal to vote Bugs makes no point at this stage, especially when ketchup said I made good points in my case against Bugs. Black is just posting exactly how I would expect scum to, staying pretty neutral yet active, lots of filler. Her vote on Jacob feels really off to me for some reason. her reaction to the Delta joke could be a case of knowing too much - I don't think most people would have understood that joke? I'm about to go offline again so will try to explain my thoughts better later.

[Luca Blight]

*Makes no sense at this stage, that should have read.

For some reason, Bugs asking Ketchup if they were an alt pinged me as a potential partner interaction at that point in time as well.

I just wanted to say that if Ketchup is indeed scum, then you're doing a terrific job! Just don't defend your buddy so obviously next time ;)

[ketchup777]

*Makes no sense at this stage, that should have read.

For some reason, Bugs asking Ketchup if they were an alt pinged me as a potential partner interaction at that point in time as well.

I just wanted to say that if Ketchup is indeed scum, then you're doing a terrific job! Just don't defend your buddy so obviously next time

That’s fair, it does seem a bit sus. I hope if i were mafia I wouldn’t be so dumb as to spend all my time defending one of my partners tho!

As for your black/me/bugs predict, again I doubt I would mention both my partners in the top 4 people I think are safest. But who knows I’ve never been mafia before and I still haven’t now!

I’ll reply to other stuff later, have school

[DeltaWave]

VOTE: Ketchup777

I can elaborate but just look at the ISO and tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong

NO

Post 123 - "I am liking the look of Luca, Black, DeltaWave and Bugs at the moment." (All I had done was share a kelly osbourne meme)

Post 173 - "You’ve had 3 meaningless posts and one post accusing a townie" (about Project)

[ketchup777]

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

[ketchup777]

If I had to stick my neck out right now, I'd say the scumteam is Bugs/Black/ketchup. That is probably quite controversial, but it makes sense to me right now.

Obviously we're still waiting for content from a few, but I sometimes like to make these early predictions just in case I hit the jackpot.

Actually coming back to this now I’ve had more time to read the last couple pages again, didn’t you just say in 155 that you thought I was town? What swayed your mind?

[ketchup777]

Sorry, you explained that in 180 .

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Ketchup777

I can elaborate but just look at the ISO and tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong

NO

Post 123 - "I am liking the look of Luca, Black, DeltaWave and Bugs at the moment." (All I had done was share a kelly osbourne meme)

Post 173 - "You’ve had 3 meaningless posts and one post accusing a townie" (about Project)

I might be dumb, but it seemed like a bold thing to say if you were a mafia. You already saw how much attention in generated in a short time. Similarly to bugs, I just thought the mafia wouldn’t have the balls to do that.

[Jacob24]

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: bugs

I'm all here for it

why are you still scum
Honestly, I’m so bad at mafia it’s actually normal to be insulted, it’s never gone well for the opposing player regardless of their alignment. I can’t say the same for you, I can tell you you think highly of yourself, and it probably irks you that I caught you this early.

You sound like you're reciting a play.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: bugs

I'm all here for it

Did the meta I provided convince you, or my analysis of Bugs in 145, or something else?

Meta and your confidence. I don't think scum does that this early

[Luca Blight]

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

[Luca Blight]

I think Ketchup is going to be my paranoid scumread this game. I want to townread him as I like his posts and they seem so innocent, but there is also something about the tone of his posts, looking beneath the surface, that reads as contrived. It might just be his playing style, of course. I think he reminds me of another new player I played with who I town-leaned for similar reasons and they ended up being scum, so that might have something to do with it.

[Jacob24]

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Did I really? If so my bad. That post was mostly aimed at not the first phase stuff so sorry if it seemed like I was on you. I just wanted something more though out then “you voted me so f you” mentality.

Sorry if I’m not convincing you of my township, why poke at me though? You’ve been out against everyone in the game practically

[Luca Blight]

Luca raises some good anti-Bugs points in 145 which have begun to persuade me that Bugs is maybe dodgier than I first thought. Nowhere close to voting them tho. Let’s try something new.

Thanks!

Could I ask you to elaborate more on your thoughts regarding Bugs?

Sure. Basically everything you’ve recently said has led me further and further from my original guess that Bugs was town. I thought at first that if bugs were mafia, they wouldn’t be asking random questions (like the multitasking one and asking if I was an alt) because it’s just drawing unnecessary attention to themselves. It’s not like asking questions demonstrates that your town, so I didn’t think a mafia would be asking these kind of questions. But you raise so many good points that you’re making me doubt my initial read; maybe Bugs is nervous, or is double bluffing me. Aware that there are liars among us though, I don’t want to let myself get fully swayed by you (Luca) yet on Bugs, especially as my vote at this point would be the fifth vote on Bugs which is dangerously close to voting them off. All it takes them is one mafia and one over enthusiastic townie to vote Bugs off and that seals it (for better or for worse, I can’t tell at this point). I haven’t felt anything good come out of Project yet, maybe if they had accused someone else but I get to be in the fortunate position of distrusting anyone who votes me because they’re wrong (:
So I’ll keep my vote on Project for now until something better comes up. I honestly doubt I’ll be successful in starting a wagon, because Bugs is under way more fire atm it seems, but I’d rather go with my gut than go with the herd.

This reads town to me. I’m not sure on Black at the moment but definitely not in a place to name them mafia.

Yeah, I could be wrong about Ketchup. There are definitely some townie elements to his play. He certainly seems to scumhunt/townhunt in a unique sort of way that I find difficult to resonate with, though. Of course, that is to be expected from newer players to an extent.

As for you, Jacob, you are hardly filling me with confidence. Can I get your general thoughts on the game, as well as an answer to my 171?

Did I really? If so my bad. That post was mostly aimed at not the first phase stuff so sorry if it seemed like I was on you. I just wanted something more though out then “you voted me so f you” mentality.

Sorry if I’m not convincing you of my township, why poke at me though? You’ve been out against everyone in the game practically

D1 essentially is about poking around in the dark to try and make sense of what's going on, from a town perspective. I feel like you're deflecting a bit with that last sentence. Do you think

'being out against everyone'

is scummy, or are you just finding my playing style frustrating?

Also, again, can I get your general thoughts on the game? I feel like you've only spoken about a few players in this game so far (namely Bugs, Ketchup and myself.)

[Black]

Black is just posting exactly how I would expect scum to, staying pretty neutral yet active,

lots of filler

.

Her vote on Jacob feels really off to me for some reason.

her reaction to the Delta joke could be a case of knowing too much - I don't think most people would have understood that joke?

I'm about to go offline again so will try to explain my thoughts better later.

I think reducing my content to "lots of filler" is pretty disingenuous

What about my Jacob vote feels off to you?

I didn't get the reference but it felt more like a joke to me than a scum slip

[Black]

Also Luca can you answer 159

[Hu Tao]

I'd agree that you're not your usual townie self, Black. But I suppose that could change in due time

[iamveryhappy]

If I had to stick my neck out right now, I'd say the scumteam is Bugs/Black/ketchup.

That is probably quite controversial, but it makes sense to me right now.

Obviously we're still waiting for content from a few, but I sometimes like to make these early predictions just in case I hit the jackpot.

Talk to me about it

I feel like they are both subtly redirecting from the Bugs wagon. Ketchup's townread and refusal to vote Bugs makes no point at this stage, especially when ketchup said I made good points in my case against Bugs. Black is just posting exactly how I would expect scum to, staying pretty neutral yet active, lots of filler. Her vote on Jacob feels really off to me for some reason.

her reaction to the Delta joke could be a case of knowing too much

- I don't think most people would have understood that joke? I'm about to go offline again so will try to explain my thoughts better later.

tmi where
iavh can't read

[OutWorldER]

I think I agree with Luca's solve except I'd replace Black with iavh

This is not to say I townread Black I just think iavh's posts are worse.