open 894: near vanilla (game over)

[JupiterXV]

hi i'm alive., sorry for the inactivity ive been goin through it recently. prodge for the time being but i will be back in 2-3 hours or so to catch up and respond to things, will do things soon. welcome pookythemagicalbear

[JupiterXV]

i say "sorry for the inactivity i've been going through it" and in reality i just died and lost all my netherite gear in minecraft so i've been grinding to get it back

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hi i'm alive., sorry for the inactivity ive been goin through it recently. prodge for the time being but i will be back in 2-3 hours or so to catch up and respond to things, will do things soon. welcome pookythemagicalbear

I have guests coming over so I won't be around in 2-3 hours.

I will be online from 9am EST monday to 2pm EST monday as well as monday night to chat.

I can also chat tonight around 9pm EST

[OutWorldER]

I'm going to VOTE: Kurtapika here to consolidate. I'm comfortable here or on shaddowez.

I absolutely hate this because voting solely to consolidate feels like he's pushing the blame for what happens if this wagon goes thru to "well it was just for consolidation!"

note here that this is fifth vote in this game state;

VOTE COUNT 1.6 !

Kurtapika (5): Titus, Dannflor, Bellaphant, Aisa, OutWorldER
shaddowez (2): JupiterXV, Black
Bellaphant (1): T3
T3 (1): Nono
Dannflor (1): Skygazer
JupiterXV (1): shaddowez
Skygazer (1): Kurtapika
Black (1): Afrayed Knott

not voting (1): ProjEctRy

with Dannflor/Titus both pushing Kurta at this point and being loud in thread about it.

At the time Dann was also loudly complaining about everybody pushing their own vanity wagons and everybody saying that "they were having trouble finding scumreads" and I was pretty sure both Dann and Titus were town so I got on board to be a team player.

Note that I also jumped off when when Dann presented a theory that Kurta might be a mislim even when Titus still wanted him

T3 is probably town.

Curious to hear why you think so

Trying to jumpstart discussion in RVS, even if on a fairly reachy basis, feels fairly townie to me. In general I think scum are more likely to wait for other people to start pushing wagons rather than try to jumpstart one themselves. I also think the reachiness of it is actually +town since I feel like scum would probably be angling for a good first impression here.

^ this is such a reach to make about an early townread but the bonus kicker is this conversation between him and black 2 pages later;

I feel good about Aisa so far. It feels like she's engaging with people in a cooperative and amicable way and it feels like she's trying to genuinely figure them out

I like T3 here too. 15 feels like he's mocking bella considering his read in 26 which is kinda mean but not necessarily scum indicative. I like Project's read on T3 in 91 and I had similar thoughts when reading through, so I like Project so far as well

I agree with OWER's read on Jupiter in 86 and I like how inquisitive and engaged OWER feels

Nothing is really pinging me as scummy yet

Your T3 read feels odd here, as 91, a post you say you had similar thoughts to, voices suspicion on T3. You say you like T3, but your only point is early posts for which your only point is "not necessarily scum indicative". What has T3 done that is townie, in your opinion?

I don't think this question makes sense at all here

It's a reach but it's also literally the 44th post of the game, in RVS.

What about the question doesn't make sense?

[tired person]

VOTE: jupiter

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: jupiter

why

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im ngl i confbiased myself while driving into thinking outworld is mafia

[OutWorldER]

still paranoid but i'm also pretty sure if pooky's slot were scum here he has no reason to try and push me instead of jupiter

[tired person]

pooky, i want to know what you think about jupiter in isolation.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm going to VOTE: Kurtapika here to consolidate. I'm comfortable here or on shaddowez.

I absolutely hate this because voting solely to consolidate feels like he's pushing the blame for what happens if this wagon goes thru to "well it was just for consolidation!"

note here that this is fifth vote in this game state;

VOTE COUNT 1.6 !

Kurtapika (5): Titus, Dannflor, Bellaphant, Aisa, OutWorldER
shaddowez (2): JupiterXV, Black
Bellaphant (1): T3
T3 (1): Nono
Dannflor (1): Skygazer
JupiterXV (1): shaddowez
Skygazer (1): Kurtapika
Black (1): Afrayed Knott

not voting (1): ProjEctRy

with Dannflor/Titus both pushing Kurta at this point and being loud in thread about it.

At the time Dann was also loudly complaining about everybody pushing their own vanity wagons and everybody saying that "they were having trouble finding scumreads" and I was pretty sure both Dann and Titus were town so I got on board to be a team player.

Note that I also jumped off when when Dann presented a theory that Kurta might be a mislim even when Titus still wanted him

T3 is probably town.

Curious to hear why you think so

Trying to jumpstart discussion in RVS, even if on a fairly reachy basis, feels fairly townie to me. In general I think scum are more likely to wait for other people to start pushing wagons rather than try to jumpstart one themselves. I also think the reachiness of it is actually +town since I feel like scum would probably be angling for a good first impression here.

^ this is such a reach to make about an early townread but the bonus kicker is this conversation between him and black 2 pages later;

I feel good about Aisa so far. It feels like she's engaging with people in a cooperative and amicable way and it feels like she's trying to genuinely figure them out

I like T3 here too. 15 feels like he's mocking bella considering his read in 26 which is kinda mean but not necessarily scum indicative. I like Project's read on T3 in 91 and I had similar thoughts when reading through, so I like Project so far as well

I agree with OWER's read on Jupiter in 86 and I like how inquisitive and engaged OWER feels

Nothing is really pinging me as scummy yet

Your T3 read feels odd here, as 91, a post you say you had similar thoughts to, voices suspicion on T3. You say you like T3, but your only point is early posts for which your only point is "not necessarily scum indicative". What has T3 done that is townie, in your opinion?

I don't think this question makes sense at all here

It's a reach but it's also literally the 44th post of the game, in RVS.

What about the question doesn't make sense?

the way you engage around other people's reads of T3 do not feel like how a townie would

like if I'm town and I townread T3 and other people are shading the shit out of him and saying he's mafia I try to engage with them to talk out their reads or I change my mind on my read of T3 - i don't see it from you
regarding your question to black;

what I don't do is ask other players who

agree

with my read to flesh out their read because the motivation behind the engagement doesnt make sense to me - fwiw I dont really see how you followed up with Black in thread on that read - its like you were doing it to distance and then kind of dropped it.

Lastly I don't think you voting Kurta makes sense in a world where you townread T3 and the players are saying T3/Kurta are S/S because in that world you at least believe they are wrong on T3 so why would they be right on Kurta?

- instead you just vote Kurtapika when he/t3 are being lumped as scum/scum together and that makes a helluva lot of sense in the world where T3!scum/Kurta!town because you're using the townies push on Kurta to get a misyeet and

also

disprove their theory that Kurta+T3 are S/S since you know Kurta will flip town and that can help relieve pressure on T3.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky, i want to know what you think about jupiter in isolation.

i havent actually isoed or read jupiter in depth but the brief snippets I skimmed are all over the place and im p bad at reading people who r all over the place.


i've been thinking over and over whether it makes sense for Jupiter!scum to do some LAMIST gambit at EOD yesterday where he's like yo just vote me out i dont want to be at elo and gambling the town doesnt take him up on the gamble and I really do not know if he has the skills to pull that move there with a roomread.

what I really hate is how outworld reacted to it right there and then and said it must be coming from Town!Jupiter and then Dannflor was like hell no.

It feels like over the top TMI on outworld's part because like how do you suddenly get that lvl of surety that its not a gambit?

comparing the two of them I feel like Jupiter is

suffering

more than Outworld is and I would expect the townie in the pair to be suffering because this is not a pleasant experience if you're town to go 9 days of not knowing wtf is going on. Outworld's vibe is that he's in control and he has a plan and that feels scummy to me

i gtg guests r here lets actually play the game tonight

[OutWorldER]

In that specific instance where I was asking Black that question I got two posts confused (Project's 76 where he voiced suspicion about T3 and Project's 91 where he says he townreads T3) and as such I thought Black's post didn't make sense (since I thought she was saying that she agreed with 76 and the latter.). So that's why I asking her why she townread T3 since my dumbass got two posts confused and thought she was being inconsistent.

I'm also not sure where you're getting the impression that from 44 onwards I was hard-locked on a T3 townread I barely mention him past that until the end of Day 1/Day 2.

[tired person]

alright, pooky is town

more thoughts about jupiter v outworld tomorrow

UNVOTE: jupiter

[OutWorldER]

what I really hate is how outworld reacted to it right there and then and

said it must be coming from Town!Jupiter

and then Dannflor was like hell no.

where did I say this.

are you referring to this post?

the thing is like

if Jupiter's scum he gets literally nothing out of not letting the mislim go through on Project if Jup's scum and Project's town

so idk

where 3 posts earlier I said:

tbh though it probably is just Jupiter

[JupiterXV]

sorry!!! i’m in a concert hall rn- was going to come back but got dragged off to an event without knwoing beforehand.

[JupiterXV]

i think you implied that you think it's jupiter but i am not sure if the only reason is sheeping dannflor or something else also.

mostly dannflor and nka - like why does outworldER shoot dannflor if dannflor's last words to the thread are "never kill outworldER"

like the only reason would be to lock in reads and he's worried dannflor will 180 the read again AND he is also highly sure the rest of you are too demotivated to try to overturn thread consensus.

ok yeah but why would i kill dannflor as scum im not as oblivious to NKA as to just.... openly kill sm1 who scumreads me ????? i mean maybe to make this exact argument but idfk man. (rhetorical question btw)

also posting is a pain on the ass on mobile so if i miss anything lemme know.

[JupiterXV]

pooky, i want to know what you think about jupiter in isolation.

i havent actually isoed or read jupiter in depth but the brief snippets I skimmed are all over the place and im p bad at reading people who r all over the place.


i've been thinking over and over whether it makes sense for Jupiter!scum to do some LAMIST gambit at EOD yesterday where he's like yo just vote me out i dont want to be at elo and gambling the town doesnt take him up on the gamble and I really do not know if he has the skills to pull that move there with a roomread.

what I really hate is how outworld reacted to it right there and then and said it must be coming from Town!Jupiter and then Dannflor was like hell no.

It feels like over the top TMI on outworld's part because like how do you suddenly get that lvl of surety that its not a gambit?

comparing the two of them I feel like Jupiter is

suffering

more than Outworld is and I would expect the townie in the pair to be suffering because this is not a pleasant experience if you're town to go 9 days of not knowing wtf is going on. Outworld's vibe is that he's in control and he has a plan and that feels scummy to me

i gtg guests r here lets actually play the game tonight

what’s a roomread

[JupiterXV]

high key if i were scum here i would have gone for ower or tired person instead of damn but i don’t know if that matters

[JupiterXV]

dann*

[JupiterXV]

it makes me really happy that pooky is pointing out how much this sucks to me like wow finally someone understands me

[JupiterXV]

post 3513 is really towny and now i’m at a dilemma

[JupiterXV]

ok so here's whats going on here in my wee little head since i literally dont know how to describe it otherwise
1- problem number one. if i sheep dann we never kill OWER here. i think i basically just agreed with this since idk ower's been in my townbin for ages.
2 - problem number two. bella slot is the alternative. pooky is. pretty fucking towny. idk how to put it. i think replacements are pretty good for gamestate and pooky is just. way townier than bella.
3- problem three. i basically had bella in limpool all game. like i would've been willing to vote on bella the entire time if there was a wagon.
4 - problem four. pooky brings up a good point about ower!!! but ive basically townread ower the entire game!!! and i could be wrong!!! but i could also be wrong about bella!!!!
problem five - pooky could still be scum so now im just sitting here.

tired person what do you think? ill sheep you

[JupiterXV]

In that specific instance where I was asking Black that question I got two posts confused (Project's 76 where he voiced suspicion about T3 and Project's 91 where he says he townreads T3) and as such I thought Black's post didn't make sense (since I thought she was saying that she agreed with 76 and the latter.). So that's why I asking her why she townread T3 since my dumbass got two posts confused and thought she was being inconsistent.

I'm also not sure where you're getting the impression that from 44 onwards I was hard-locked on a T3 townread

I barely mention him past that until the end of Day 1/Day 2.

i don’t think this is a good thing for your case btw

[JupiterXV]

i mean bolded part

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think you implied that you think it's jupiter but i am not sure if the only reason is sheeping dannflor or something else also.

mostly dannflor and nka - like why does outworldER shoot dannflor if dannflor's last words to the thread are "never kill outworldER"

like the only reason would be to lock in reads and he's worried dannflor will 180 the read again AND he is also highly sure the rest of you are too demotivated to try to overturn thread consensus.

ok yeah but why would i kill dannflor as scum im not as oblivious to NKA as to just.... openly kill sm1 who scumreads me ????? i mean maybe to make this exact argument but idfk man. (rhetorical question btw)

also posting is a pain on the ass on mobile so if i miss anything lemme know.

well sure its wifom but also If you believe Dannflor is going to be gunning for you and he's clearly the loudest voice in the thread then your best bet is to shoot him at night so he doesnt live to today and push you.

sure it looks bad for you but that's just kind of the price you pay because if you leave him alive and he hardshoves you you might die from that. I dunno how much you know about dannflor's meta to know about whether he's overstating confidence or bluffing or posturing in order to manipulate the nightkill - afaik you are a total n00b to this site and have not much experience with Dannflor so you wouldn't know if you can gamble that he's lying about reads - heck I've played plenty of games with Dannflor and I don't know whether his statement about OWER is geniune belief or some kind of gambit.

im also arrogant enough in my own scumhunting abilities that I might just ignore dannflor's read on OWER but i'd feel pretty shitty if i was wrong.

the nightkill points to you because it is the easiest nightkill for you to make.

Does OWER shoot Dannflor there or does he shoot Bella or TP and go into 4p? I really dont know?

Like maybe OWER thinks dannflor is the doctor for whatever reason ???? - like I guess if OWER is mafia and he thinks there's no way afayeed knott claims doctor like the way he did AND dannflor's townread of shiki has to do with Dannflor thinking that Shiki is pretending to be doctor to shield doctor dannflor?!?!? like thats a really far out there thing. I honestly dont know. Its really wild to me that scum even made that nightkill because if Dannflor is not the doctor then he is one of the

most

likely targets for being doctored and if you shoot into a doc protect there you get completely blown out many many times.