Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

[JacksonVirgo]

And where the fuck is Shaddow?

I wonder

[lucca261]

missed the prod just above but I guess it's good timing

[JacksonVirgo]

Stopping this talk here, got carried away with an excuse to math

[JacksonVirgo]

There's something Argo said I wanna comment on, lemme find it real quick

[JacksonVirgo]

i'm on team lets not vote out skygazer

I am always on Team Skygazer :]

Unfortunately for you, the team what wants to vote you out :twisted:

Also, and maybe this is a Drew read(err, Asclepius read), but it feels to me that this wagon kinda stagnating and even people hopping off makes me feel like scum thought the wagon would naturally dissipate.......but lack of activity these past few days have forced the hand of the members of scum to leave the wagon to make sure their buddy is not limmed.

Like, usually an early day wagon doesn't stick, so no need for scum to worry too much.......but this one has stuck, with no real counter wagon.

This obviously is only relevant if Sky is Team Scumbutt, but just was something I was thinking about at work today.

-Asclepius

Just before I say what I wanted to say, you'd need some pretty agreeable people in a hydra now that I've realised it cuz imagine a hydra just voting the people they want out and then refusing to let another head get their vote, who also just votes whenever the heads change it. Crazy

Regarding this post, I wanted to sit on this to see what I thought of it given some time to think (I responded to it initially to acknowledge it). What would be the difference between a stagnant wagon (because scum would hope it drops off) to a stagnant wagon because the Town likes where the gamestate is?

I've seen the argument "stagnant game, scum controlled game" my words that I came up with on the spot but I've never seen it framed in the way you said it here. Can you elaborate on that?

[JacksonVirgo]

It reads that's reasoning on your end to consider Sky more wolf, but then you say it's only relevant if they're red so perhaps this is just a post to consider post-flip and I'm reading it wrong?

[JacksonVirgo]

I like the people on the wagon though, I agree with Black's assessment regarding that

[Jake The Wolfie]

This convo has felt like WIFOM, but both glasses are filled with ethanol diluted with sulfiric acid

[lucca261]

i'm on team lets not vote out skygazer

I am always on Team Skygazer

Unfortunately for you, the team what wants to vote you out

Also, and maybe this is a Drew read(err, Asclepius read), but it feels to me that this wagon kinda stagnating and even people hopping off makes me feel like scum thought the wagon would naturally dissipate.......but lack of activity these past few days have forced the hand of the members of scum to leave the wagon to make sure their buddy is not limmed.

Like, usually an early day wagon doesn't stick, so no need for scum to worry too much.......but this one has stuck, with no real counter wagon.

This obviously is only relevant if Sky is Team Scumbutt, but just was something I was thinking about at work today.

-Asclepius

Just before I say what I wanted to say, you'd need some pretty agreeable people in a hydra now that I've realised it cuz imagine a hydra just voting the people they want out and then refusing to let another head get their vote, who also just votes whenever the heads change it. Crazy

Regarding this post, I wanted to sit on this to see what I thought of it given some time to think (I responded to it initially to acknowledge it). What would be the difference between a stagnant wagon (because scum would hope it drops off) to a stagnant wagon because the Town likes where the gamestate is?

I've seen the argument "stagnant game, scum controlled game" my words that I came up with on the spot but I've never seen it framed in the way you said it here. Can you elaborate on that?

I don't see scum having this viewpoint Argo thought about unless the entire team or at least 2/3 of the team is composed by the most active players on this thread.

This game itself is stagnant sometimes. Unless scum knows that town is a little lurkery and wouldn't push Sky that heavily, they wouldn't believe the wagon would naturally dissipate. If scum is less active and town is driving the conversation, it's way more likely that the wagon continues to get traction or just disintegrates completely in a more sudden manner.

But this is just at the top of my head and I wanted to engage on this

[lucca261]

are you changing your read on Argo, JV?

[Argonauts]

i'm on team lets not vote out skygazer

I am always on Team Skygazer

Unfortunately for you, the team what wants to vote you out

Also, and maybe this is a Drew read(err, Asclepius read), but it feels to me that this wagon kinda stagnating and even people hopping off makes me feel like scum thought the wagon would naturally dissipate.......but lack of activity these past few days have forced the hand of the members of scum to leave the wagon to make sure their buddy is not limmed.

Like, usually an early day wagon doesn't stick, so no need for scum to worry too much.......but this one has stuck, with no real counter wagon.

This obviously is only relevant if Sky is Team Scumbutt, but just was something I was thinking about at work today.

-Asclepius

How is this a sticky wagon? It formed like a day ago

Lulz, I was tempted to say something like this too, but then people would complain about hydra dissonance. Sometimes it just be like


-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

are you changing your read on Argo, JV?

How shallow do you think my read on him is? Lol, of course not I'm asking to understand their pov

[JacksonVirgo]

I tried going forward with his viewpoint in mind to see if I can vibe with it more than the inverse but I couldn't

[Argonauts]

And frankly the "odds don't matter, oh no a hammer intent waaaaaait stop let me calculate the odds!!!" comes off pretty desperate.

-Atalanta

Bitch please, I was excited and didn't want that to go nowhere

Wow wtf

Why are you such a rude little shit?? Get your misogyny away from me. That's totally uncalled for and I'm not even going to bother talking to you, you clearly want nothing more than to shut me down.

-Atalanta

[lucca261]

not based on just this, was skimming the last few pages and I felt you being pretty defensive around their spot on a way you aren't with Black, for instance

then got curious

[JacksonVirgo]

Misogyny??

[JacksonVirgo]

That was a playful bitch please, should have expressed my tone better

[JacksonVirgo]

not based on just this, was skimming the last few pages and I felt you being pretty defensive around their spot on a way you aren't with Black, for instance

then got curious

Like with the math? Or more than that? But nah, I town-read them pretty strongly

[Black]

That was a playful bitch please, should have expressed my tone better

I'm familiar with the phrase so I know you didn't mean harm, but I probably just wouldn't use that one anymore. Some people haven't heard it used that way or they may just not like being called that even if it has playful undertones

[Black]

yeah that avi is good it feels like zelda is reading my ISO and really didn't like it

I didn't see this until just now

What do your reads look like lucca

[lucca261]

not based on just this, was skimming the last few pages and I felt you being pretty defensive around their spot on a way you aren't with Black, for instance

then got curious

Like with the math? Or more than that? But nah, I town-read them pretty strongly

The math, this theory about the stagnating wagons, the bitch-please stuff, the playful 'shoot this guy' chain discussion that ended on @1369. It all felt weirdly adversarial, yet mild-mannered

[lucca261]

yeah that avi is good it feels like zelda is reading my ISO and really didn't like it

I didn't see this until just now

What do your reads look like lucca

My read are mostly on @1307 and @1313

a little concerned that my biggest scumreads are on less active slots though
feels like I'm missing stuff even if I'm confident that at least two of the three S's are scum

[Jake The Wolfie]

Nah, I think this is scum!sky

I feel like there is usually a point in Sky's town games where she buckles down and really starts to think critically about the game. I haven't seen that at all here. She's just coasting

Like I think sky posts reactively a lot but when she's town there's usually a moment where she feels guilty about not doing anything and then starts to be proactive for a bit before she slides off into obscurity again. I've seen it after her being pushed before but she got to e-1 and she's still just lurking around

I would like you to prove your case here.
Is her current gameplay consistent with her scumplay, and atypical of her townplay? Provide a few of her games as evidence.

@Black

Do get to this when you have the chance.

[JacksonVirgo]

That was a playful bitch please, should have expressed my tone better

I'm familiar with the phrase so I know you didn't mean harm, but I probably just wouldn't use that one anymore. Some people haven't heard it used that way or they may just not like being called that even if it has playful undertones

Yeah good idea, thank you

[Argonauts]

That was a playful bitch please, should have expressed my tone better

I'm familiar with the phrase so I know you didn't mean harm, but I probably just wouldn't use that one anymore. Some people haven't heard it used that way or they may just not like being called that even if it has playful undertones

I have and it does not matter. I am not on 'playful banter' terms with Jackson and there is no reason for him to have thought we could be. It is an offensive slur used to demean a certain group to keep them in their place and its usage here was totally in line with that. It is not up to him to decide when it's okay to direct a slur at someone else and they should just be okay with it.