Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

[Skygazer]

i feel like sk probably has to aim for scum tonight to have a shot at winning so probably better for us to try and get scum today actually

[Save The Dragons]

I townread me

Why should we townread you though

What townie things have you done this game

Surely you don't scumread me due to "std not being townie"

[lucca261]

also concerned that 90% of Invisibility content is talking about Not_Mafia when NM has been doing nothing since like page 7
the "My worldview is based around Not_Mafia" on @459 is weird for me based around on how detached Invi is from the game

like it kinda tells me he was worried about how people would read his catch-up? (not necessarily something only scum would be worried about, but given how detached he feels...)

lucca says this about Invis, but then never mentions them again until D2, where he's pushing people that voted for Invis.

This is a misrep that only comes for someone blatantly distorting my views to push me. At the time, I've indirectly mentioned Invis and explained why I thought that wagon was scummy. Let's go over the facts, shall we?

On @613 I criticize Invis post, yes. On the same post, you may realize I criticize also Jacob/Mucho and Skygazer.

This is the VC in question during this point:

Invisibility (5):

shaddowez, Black, SirCakez, Jake The Wolfie, Save The Dragons

Argonauts (3):

Invisibility, Roden,

Skygazer

shaddowez (1):

Not_Mafia

Jacob24 (1):

JacksonVirgo

Not_Mafia (1):

Hu Tao

Jake The Wolfie (1):

Argonauts

lucca261 (1):

Jacob24

Not Voting (1):

lucca261

Then on @627, the end of my catch-up, I vote Skygazer. There were two days until the end of the day. I was clearly trying to create a new wagon, since I wasn't confortable with the wagons on both Invi and Argo, as I explained on the start of catch-up, on @609.

Shaddow's argument no. 1 is:

"lucca says this about Invis, but then never mentions them again until D2

Wrong. @711, a p-edit post two minutes after the hammer, explains that I could vote Invi, but I was concerned with [Shaddow, Jake, STD, Skygazer] in the wagon, given that the wagon consisted of the same people that voted for Argonauts. Check it: I wanted to push people inside the wagon on D1 before the flip. I had written this post before the hammer, as you can clearly see by the timing. @713.

Not only I mention Invis before D2, but I explain why I wanted to push people that voted for Invis before even the flip. So Shaddow's post is clearly baseless. Invis wasn't even limmed/flipped. Even if I'm scum, he could've been the SK.

Shaddow's argument no. 2 is:

where he's pushing people that voted for Invis"

The only player I voted on the clusterfuck D2 is Jacob. As you can see, on @715, Jacob did not vote for Invis. Sure, on @854 I say that the limpool would've been Skygazer/STD. But this is an answer to @820. Nowhere I pushed anyone that voted for Invis on D2.

D3? Arguably. I wanted to lim in-wagon, true. But the only post in which I use a vote on Invis as a justification for a scumread is @1313. Even there, it's a lot more substancied than just "pushing people that voted for Invis".

As everyone can see, this little phrase that Shaddow wrote about me is a lie. It makes no sense given my game, it clearly misreps the situation of the game, my posts, my thought process (which is written on the text). Every sentence is inaccurate.

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If it had just been a naked read, it's ok. People misremember things all the time.

But check @1491.

Probably lucca. I've had a mild SR there, and upon an ISO review it grew stronger

Think about the arguments "never mentions them again until D2" and "where he's pushing people that voted for Invis". Would someone who has done an ISO review misremember something that could've easily been checked on seconds? No.

Another example: the post Shaddow quoted is #28 on my ISO. The post Shaddow lied about? #33. How did he not realize that other post existed unless he's lying about it?

VOTE: Shaddow

[Black]

Wow maybe there are two deepwolves

StD/lucca/Jackson?

[lucca261]

Also @1500 comes just after Black is starting to have doubts about my slot on @1499 so it's just an argument taking out of nothing to try and convince Black. That's a scum mindset.

[Black]

Lucca is like... too townie. And I'm getting a bad feeling that he has an agenda here

[Black]

I'd rather go for his buddies though in case I'm wrong

VOTE: StD

[Save The Dragons]

What happened to skygazer suspicion?

[lucca261]

Really, Black?

[Black]

What happened to skygazer suspicion?

It's still there, I'm just having doubts

[Black]

Really, Black?

Do you townread StD?

[lucca261]

Like... on @1444 you asked for my reads, I've pointed them out to you and you just ignored it. Then you suddenly think I'm scum at the same time than Shaddow comes back into the thread and starts pushing me out of nothing

this is really weird and makes no sense to me

[lucca261]

Really, Black?

Do you townread StD?

No? Check @1307

[shaddowez]

lol, this is great. You're accusing me of "blatantly distorting my views to push me". Let's go over the facts, shall we?

Of the

10

times that you mention Invisibility at all before 1527, you use "Invi"

twice

. Upon reviewing your ISO, I did a search for "Invis" and did miss those two instances in that one post. That post, which conveniently happens to be saying you'd be willing to vote there, still not voting there, and after the hammer. So yes, it was close to the other post, but I didn't see it based on my specific search for which I was using.

Then 1529 is just laughable. I said in 1495,

before

Black said anything about you.

So, where's the misrep?

[Alianna]

3.09

Votecount 3.09

shaddowez (E-1): Save The Dragons, JacksonVirgo, Jake The Wolfie, lucca261
Skygazer (2): SirCakez, Argonauts
SirCakez (1): Skygazer
Save The Dragons (1): Black

Not Voting (1): shaddowez

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

[lucca261]

lol, this is great. You're accusing me of "blatantly distorting my views to push me". Let's go over the facts, shall we?

Of the

10

times that you mention Invisibility at all before 1527, you use "Invi"

twice

. Upon reviewing your ISO, I did a search for "Invis" and did miss those two instances in that one post. That post, which conveniently happens to be saying you'd be willing to vote there, still not voting there, and after the hammer. So yes, it was close to the other post, but I didn't see it based on my specific search for which I was using.

Then 1529 is just laughable. I said in 1495,

before

Black said anything about you.

So, where's the misrep?

So, where's the misrep?

did miss those two instances in that one post. So yes, it was close to the other post, but I didn't see it based on my specific search for which I was using.

So, where's the misrep?

did miss those two instances in that one post. So yes, it was close to the other post, but I didn't see it based on my specific search for which I was using.

So, where's the misrep?

did miss those two instances in that one post. So yes, it was close to the other post, but I didn't see it based on my specific search for which I was using.

Missing my posts because of a searching error isn't misrepping someone?

So I would be more townie if I had voted for

Invi

?
Also: that post came three minutes after the hammer. So you think I saw the hammer and just went running to write a post pretending I would've voted a town player on E-1... after the hammer and before the flip?

What do I gain from it?

@1495 is not scummy. It's reasonable. The one that looks rushed and suspicious is @1500, as I clearly stated/analyzed on the post you quoted.

[lucca261]

I did miss that it was E-1, to be fair

[Black]

Like... on @1444 you asked for my reads, I've pointed them out to you and you just ignored it. Then you suddenly think I'm scum at the same time than Shaddow comes back into the thread and starts pushing me out of nothing

this is really weird and makes no sense to me

Really, Black?

Do you townread StD?

No? Check @1307

I'm sorry, I've been a little overwhelmed and I had a busy weekend that led into a busy week and I'm not fully grasping everything. I admit I should have looked at your stuff in more detail. I guess I've just been trying to live post but putting off some of the hard work because I like to do that when I get spare time at my PC but I've just been really busy lately and doing other stuff

I'll try to correct that. I still can't help my gut pings that you're a mustache twirling super villain but if it makes you feel any better you're like the last of my PoE I would want to vote out

Will you vote StD with me?

[Save The Dragons]

On one paw I think it's pretty gutsy to scumread so much of the board

On the other paw I'm not sure I believe this progression. I don't see a case against me so it looks like a half hearted attempt to capitalize on cakez's comment retracting his read of my behavior. Why is her hero solve not including sky when she was so confident yesterday? What caused the doubts?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Either way, the situation sucks and now you have paws instead of hands.

[Black]

I'm feeling like StD and Jackson are scum. Jackson's unwaivering belief that I'm not scum is just a bit too farfetched for me. I don't think Jackson should have a super confident read in what town!me looks like after only a couple games together. I think there's a good chance he's trying his best to pocket me because he's familiar with my tendency to townread people that townread/agree with me. He called me out on this behavior in a game that just ended in which he was scum, and I think he may be using it here to keep me off of him

Jackson tried to stop the StD wagon from happening at the beginning of the day so I feel there's some partner equity there. I haven't had the chance to really dive into their associations because busy but I'll try to do that soon

[Black]

On one paw I think it's pretty gutsy to scumread so much of the board

On the other paw I'm not sure I believe this progression. I don't see a case against me so it looks like a half hearted attempt to capitalize on cakez's comment retracting his read of my behavior. Why is her hero solve not including sky when she was so confident yesterday? What caused the doubts?

My reads are fluid. Interacting with sky caused the doubts. Maybe my gut read on sky's behavior is wrong but I want to listen to it for a bit and see what happens

Your instant dismissal and discredit is noted, as well as your appealing to the room vibes

[Skygazer]

VOTE: std

[Save The Dragons]

I don't believe you think I'm scum

I don't believe you just changed your read on sky from today's posts

[Black]

I don't believe you think I'm scum

I don't believe you just changed your read on sky from today's posts

That's tough