Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[yessiree]

given my counter wagons usually end up on scum, and dave was my original counter wagon before pivoting to RCE
it flows we should lim dave

[Firebringer]

im totally good with elim dave

He might not be playing like scum, but he has had plenty of time to show me a thought process I can see a progression or thought put into the game as being town. He could easily done this i think. Just because I can point to things and say "yeah this doesn't feel like what scum would be posting here" doesn't mean it isn't just him being a lazy scum who has been hiding behind his VCA arguments for lack of real scumhunting.

[usesPython]

im totally good with elim dave

He might not be playing like scum, but he has had plenty of time to show me a thought process I can see a progression or thought put into the game as being town. He could easily done this i think. Just because I can point to things and say "yeah this doesn't feel like what scum would be posting here" doesn't mean it isn't just him being a lazy scum who has been hiding behind his VCA arguments for lack of real scumhunting.

where vote

[Firebringer]

im voting davesaz

[yessiree]

we need enchant to vote

[yessiree]

some sort of fallback for if the cop is the first elim/nightkill would be good in this setup yeah
it is
straight mountainous right now and i am not sure how well we are doing solve wise
and we are doing very badly in town engagement with the game so

on a better note
happy birthday drew

Quickhammer Dave go?

[usesPython]

hang on yes man needs to unvote so that enchant can vote and then yessiree can hammer

[yessiree]

true

VOTE: enchant

[Firebringer]

Also davesaz, you been running a lot of work on the vote history pattern. But explain to me how it anyway couldn't be done by scum you.

Thats what I really want to know. That is the problem with VCA to begin with. If you can do it as one alignment you can do it as other without much effort. You just take your preconceived notions of how scum makes voting patterns and apply it with a red pm, and maybe tweak it a bit to fit some mislims you want. I don't know if you adjusted at all for it, this would require me to go back and actually finding town games of your vca, see how you applied it and then look for differences.

I am not doing that.
1) Your last town game you didn't even rely this heavily on VCA
2) I believe you can use other means of finding scum than just telling me a vote push by someone is scum

[Firebringer]

how about putting the replacement out of their misery by limming the slot?

VOTE: Bellaphant

I want to remind the class, that this person scumread Titus.
But wanted to leave her alone because of out of game reasons for her absence for the game day.

Now wants to elim Bella, who could be busy irl. Who knows, and doesn't want a replacement in the slot.

Makes you think doesn't it

[Firebringer]

for as much credit dave wants to give himself credit for Titus kill,
the fact he was willing ot give slot more time but won't for bella. Might actually be telling

[Firebringer]

@Theta Alpine, get in here and vote dave.
We are ending this game day now.

[Theta Alpine]

how about putting the replacement out of their misery by limming the slot?

VOTE: Bellaphant

I want to remind the class, that this person scumread Titus.
But wanted to leave her alone because of out of game reasons for her absence for the game day.

Now wants to elim Bella, who could be busy irl. Who knows, and doesn't want a replacement in the slot.

Makes you think doesn't it

that
okay that is actually doing a lot to make me think

[Theta Alpine]

we were not as much in town apathy if i recall correctly when titus happened but hmm

[davesaz]

Policy the next person not trying to kill people before deadline

This is pretty much what I'm trying to do.

[davesaz]

for as much credit dave wants to give himself credit for Titus kill,
the fact he was willing ot give slot more time but won't for bella. Might actually be telling

Bella didn't

declare RL issues

.
Flaking is not RL issues.

[Firebringer]

i went back through Naerys iso to see if i can find any info

for one I think it clears Bingle, might have been said before.

But theres a lack of interactions with two people in particular i will iso at some point
Python and Yessiree.

It seems to me that naerys was directly engaging with town throughout her iso, either calling people scummy who were town, or trying to buddy town. Theres actually a huge lack of interactions to scum buddies.

If we just focus on slots she didn't talk to we are more likely to get her two partners me thinks.

Also this would presumably clear davesaz since she was interacting with him quite a bit.

UNVOTE:

read through on python and yessiree tomorrow.

[davesaz]

I never have and never will compromise on my RL issue position.

[Firebringer]

I never have and never will compromise on my RL issue position.

Shut the fuck up.
No one cares about this.

[Firebringer]

if you spent more time solving instead of grandstanding on your stupid position on not pushing someone because RL. We wouldn't have this conversation.

Instead you like to twist the argument that people are making into some moral argument when we are playing a game of mafia.

Go away

[davesaz]

Don't accuse me of lying about something outside the game, ever.

[davesaz]

Not voting people is not being willing to lim. It's been happening all game. Never taking a stand with your vote is the easiest way for scum to skate by.
This is Mafia 101, why am I the only one who sees it?

[Firebringer]

dave don't even fucking go there.

Naerys literally just tried to use her real life issues to fucking manipulate me to lay off her.

This is a game of mafia. I will accuse you of being a scum bastard for w/e scummy thing I think you are doing.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Python

[yessiree]

Also this would presumably clear davesaz since she was interacting with him quite a bit.

i dont think the naerys-dave interaction clears dave as much as you think it does