Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

[Alianna]

3.11

Votecount 3.11

shaddowez (E-2): JacksonVirgo, Jake The Wolfie, lucca261
Save The Dragons (E-2): Black, Skygazer, Argonauts
Skygazer (1): SirCakez

Not Voting (2): shaddowez, Save The Dragons

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

[SirCakez]

What happened to the skygazer wagon

[Argonauts]

I'm disconcerted by the way Dragons has been engaging here, but it also makes me feel like if he's scum it'd most likely be with both Sky and shaddowez. This feels like fighting to survive, and if he had less scumread partners he wouldn't need to go into that mode here.

-Atalanta

[Save The Dragons]

There are town reasons to fight to survive

[Argonauts]

Yeah but I've not seen

you

do it before

-Atalanta

[Save The Dragons]

I would say even if that were true and I were scum with them I probably wouldn't fight as hard

It's a lot harder for me to be okay with a mislim against me, so I would actually argue my WIM and fight is town but that is self meta so take that with a grain of salt

[Save The Dragons]

Small sample size.

Here's an example of me being pushed a lot d1 and eventually becoming the lim and me fighting back
viewtopic.php?t=90280

[Save The Dragons]

Took a quick peek at my iso in over easy mafia and I did not do it there but I do not think I was seriously suspected at any point

You were in that game

[Black]

What happened to the skygazer wagon

Do you have any thoughts on StD and Jackson?

[JacksonVirgo]

Just woke up, was a little too busy yesterday to do what I said I was gonna do so I'll get it today

[Jake The Wolfie]

What happened to the skygazer wagon

Gone, reduced to atoms.

[JacksonVirgo]

What happened to the skygazer wagon

Gone, reduced to atoms.

And thank the lord for that one

[Argonauts]

Yes, I was and it's a prime point of reference for me here. T-Bone totally would've voted you in elo if I hadn't forced the 1v1 with Drew. You did nothing, to the point where I don't think you even looked in before the deadline and so the game just would've been lost anyhow even if T-Bone voted correctly.

I'll go back to VOTE: Skygazer anyhow, for now

-Atalanta

[Black]

What happened to the skygazer wagon

Gone, reduced to atoms.

I want to know your thoughts on players not named Black

Lately it seems like you are just popping in with these one-liners but not really helping move the game forward

[shaddowez]

I came back to the game to see my post from earlier never actually posted, and just disappeared from the post box.

Hi

I am scum reading you

I think your activity and posts have been unimpressive. I am sympathetic to rl issues so I will keep thinking about this but that's where I'm at now.

This part I'm good with. You're wrong, but that's part of the game. Thinking my posts are unimpressive shouldn't be scummy, unless you're trying to push something for no better reason. Do you regularly consider "not blatantly town" scum?

I think if you flip red, black would be a potential partner

I think if you flip green, I'm not sure what it would mean for blacks alignment, but I would consider this fact when thinking about it.

This is the part I don't like. D1

and

D2 you don't talk about me at all. Then beginning of D3 you come in, naked vote me, and then claim that it's from me doing nothing (which again, at most should be NAI).
Black you also don't mention on D1

or

D2. Come D3 you call Jake's push on Black a vanity wagon in 1466, then post half arguments about Black, vote her, unvote her, then continue to shade her.

After that, you go back to me, saying there's partner equity. So either you don't think Black is scum anymore

unless

I'm scum (which doesn't sound like how you're viewing her as of this post - I realize later posts may indicate otherwise) or flipping me first doesn't make sense with that as a reason.

[SirCakez]

maybe it's from the nicotine withdrawal/illness delirium but i really felt like cakez was very blatantly openwolfing when the vig stuff started being talked about and i'm annoyed his wagon dissipated

I hate that Sky is trying to reopen the wagon on me when the arguments for why it would be stupid to eliminate me today have already been posted

[SirCakez]

What happened to the skygazer wagon

Do you have any thoughts on StD and Jackson?

I can't get a good take on Jackson today
StD I want to lean town but I couldn't really point to an exact reason why, ig maybe bc he feels pretty engaged here?

[Jake The Wolfie]

What happened to the skygazer wagon

Gone, reduced to atoms.

I want to know your thoughts on players not named Black

Lately it seems like you are just popping in with these one-liners but not really helping move the game forward

The game is chugging along just fine, no?

[SirCakez]

i feel like sk probably has to aim for scum tonight to have a shot at winning so probably better for us to try and get scum today actually

So even if you think I'm SK, it would still be a bad idea to eliminate me today based on this logic because I would be shooting to get rid of scum today, and if I'm vig then obviously I'm shooting for scum as well
I'm not seeing the thoughts line up here from Sky

[Black]

What happened to the skygazer wagon

Gone, reduced to atoms.

I want to know your thoughts on players not named Black

Lately it seems like you are just popping in with these one-liners but not really helping move the game forward

The game is chugging along just fine, no?

Considering we can't reach a consensus, no, I don't think the game is chugging along just fine

Who would you compromise on if you can't get shaddow faded?

[Black]

StD I want to lean town but I couldn't really point to an exact reason why, ig maybe bc he feels pretty engaged here?

This read confuses me because I've seen scum!StD be engaged and I've seen town!StD be completely lurky. Maybe you have a larger sample size or something

He wasn't really engaged until he got pushed anyway

[Jake The Wolfie]

What happened to the skygazer wagon

Gone, reduced to atoms.

I want to know your thoughts on players not named Black

Lately it seems like you are just popping in with these one-liners but not really helping move the game forward

The game is chugging along just fine, no?

Considering we can't reach a consensus, no, I don't think the game is chugging along just fine

Who would you compromise on if you can't get shaddow faded?

I think one part of the "chugging along" is the lack of consensus.

[Save The Dragons]

I came back to the game to see my post from earlier never actually posted, and just disappeared from the post box.

Hi

I am scum reading you

I think your activity and posts have been unimpressive. I am sympathetic to rl issues so I will keep thinking about this but that's where I'm at now.

This part I'm good with. You're wrong, but that's part of the game. Thinking my posts are unimpressive shouldn't be scummy, unless you're trying to push something for no better reason. Do you regularly consider "not blatantly town" scum?

I think if you flip red, black would be a potential partner

I think if you flip green, I'm not sure what it would mean for blacks alignment, but I would consider this fact when thinking about it.

This is the part I don't like. D1

and

D2 you don't talk about me at all. Then beginning of D3 you come in, naked vote me, and then claim that it's from me doing nothing (which again, at most should be NAI).
Black you also don't mention on D1

or

D2. Come D3 you call Jake's push on Black a vanity wagon in 1466, then post half arguments about Black, vote her, unvote her, then continue to shade her.

After that, you go back to me, saying there's partner equity. So either you don't think Black is scum anymore

unless

I'm scum (which doesn't sound like how you're viewing her as of this post - I realize later posts may indicate otherwise) or flipping me first doesn't make sense with that as a reason.

In response as I typed my case I realized it was somewhat lackluster and that is one of the reasons I unvoted you.

As far as "partner equity" goes I believe what I have explained makes sense. I think you two have barely interacted and she tr and defended you, making me think it is possible that you two could be scum together. Ergo if you are scum, she is a potential partner. That is all.

[Black]

I think one part of the "chugging along" is the lack of consensus.

Why are you ignoring my questions

[Skygazer]

i feel like sk probably has to aim for scum tonight to have a shot at winning so probably better for us to try and get scum today actually

So even if you think I'm SK, it would still be a bad idea to eliminate me today based on this logic because I would be shooting to get rid of scum today, and if I'm vig then obviously I'm shooting for scum as well
I'm not seeing the thoughts line up here from Sky

you might not have noticed but i'm not voting for you anymore so i'm not sure where the contradiction is