Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[Ranger]

If we don't have the support for Jackson I'd rather go Enchant over dave or Ranger

You have my support for either Jackson or Enchant.

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah, I think this "clear disconnect" is just semantics. I still want HEM

[Naerys]

VOTE: enchant
and i am off to sleep

[humaneatingmonkey]

gob if you're planning on pushing someone, do it now so the person csn claim

ill do it when i am ready

When will this be? If your target is mostly townread, you will not be successful and there will not be enough time. We will end up splitting
the vote and someone who cannot claim will probably be stormed - regardless of who you want to target. We have less than 24 hours and different timezones. Make up your mind now.

You want my support, this is my support.

[Ranger]

Dann seemed pretty convinced she was in her town meta and I generally trust his reads.

I believe you're aware, yet it bears mentioning again;

but I'd scrutinize naerys pretty closely
still think light_ganski(/Enchant) is scummy either way

so lim in [light_ganski(/Enchant), davesaz, drew, tbone] probably in that order

Dannflor's preferred elimination after usesPython was light_ganski, who is the Enchant slot.

There's game-long partner interactions between the two, which I saw when I reread the majority of D1.

[gob]

Yea i cant do it, nevermind. Sorry guy

[Ranger]

Yeah there is a clear disconnect here

The disconnect is in your ability to process statements working together with you seeing them otherwise.

1595 is my readslist still.

Maybe

JacksonVirgo deserves to be a new tier above, between light_ganski/Enchant and Doctor Drew; their placement remains overall accurate.

JacksonVirgo has very solid reasons to be scum. They are bottom three in my reads and inside the PoE. Any of the bottom four, I would vote.

My personal guess, per 1758, is they're town, with the team as Naerys/Enchant. It's only a weak lean, and because I could be wrong in my guess, I'm willing to vote them because they're not clearly town.

There's only two scum in the game, my pool has four names. That means two of them are town. I can both guess at who the town/scum within the pool are yet still stick to the pool as being accurate to eliminate within.

[davesaz]

I think I have an hour to deep dive while dinner is being cooked (1.5 hours from now after travel and shopping), and a couple more hours after dinner.
Tomorrow depends on how early I get up. It's my one sleep-in day of the week.

A little surface level on what I can remember from the last few days.

I had light on a downward trajectory over the last 24-48 hours of D1 and would be willing to vote that slot. (Enchant right?)
If there is something to the reason JV is a wagon, those few hours might be well spent trying to figure if it's real. Someone summarize please.
Naerys wanting to go after me is moderately suspicious, but it might be something she'd do as town. I don't agree with the conclusions from Ranger's retrospective about Python+Naerys+?, and Naerys has responded to that type of suspicion as town the same way she's responding here.
T-Bone looked bad for a bit but I think it was mainly due to misunderstandings, and looked better after that.
I really should look at what gob's alignment was in previous games. The difference I noted D1 is still there and I don't know if that's a +town or +scum difference.

[Ranger]

1757 was meant to put Jackson at e-1
Ranger why would you put a townlean at e-1 when the Enchant wagon is completely viable and you think Enchant is partnered with Naerys?

Any wagon within my pool of four, I'll support. JacksonVirgo was momentarily higher. As long as the choices are JacksonVirgo v Enchant, I'll be happy with either elimination. It's important to focus attention within the pool rather than letting those outside perhaps gain momentum when they shouldn't. I don't want to give people the chance to think davesaz is viable and good. Same for HEM, gob, Black, T-Bone, etc. So as long as JV and Enchant are the focus, I'll vote either.

I'd

prefer

Enchant, to be sure. His wagon's smaller, so I felt my vote was more productive on JacksonVirgo.

[Ranger]

I can both believe JacksonVirgo is town and believe there's a good chance they flip scum. The two aren't mutually exclusive, and I've explained my stance here repeatedly.

Explain how they aren't mutually exclusive

My belief is my current reads. My current reads are highly fluid and often change frequently. My belief is you're town currently. That belief is only temporary.

You have a very good chance to flip scum. This exists regardless of my current belief. I see the reasons for you being scum, acknowledge their validity, agree the theory has merit, and think there's a good chance the theory is correct. Though my current belief is you're town, there's still a good chance the belief is wrong and you are scum. Because this chance is very high, I support an elimination, despite my current belief being you'd flip town.

[Black]

If we don't have the support for Jackson I'd rather go Enchant over dave or Ranger

You have my support for either Jackson or Enchant.

Why would you rather go Jackson over Enchant? I read what you said about the PoE stuff but they are both in your PoE and are both viable wagons. One you think is probably town and one you think is scum but you're not voting for the one you think is scum

Pedit: ok, you say Jackson had more votes, but I would at least try to do something with Enchant's wagon. It already had 2 votes

[Black]

VOTE: Enchant

If this flips scum then we flip Ranger and that's probably gg

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't think it's flipping scum. Just a hunch. Enchant did try to "scumhunt" with Naerys.

[Ranger]

Does your definition of viable change when there is less than 24 hours left on deadline? It does for me.

Depends.

Some wagons lack the votes no matter how close they get.

Other wagons can go through when they otherwise wouldn't.

It's a case by case basis.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Enchant

[humaneatingmonkey]

If there is something to the reason JV is a wagon, those few hours might be well spent trying to figure if it's real. Someone summarize please.

If you have the time, please go back and assess it for yourself. Would love your perspective. Check out JacksonVirgo's ISO, my ISO, and Black's ISO for JacksonVirgo cases and rebuttals.

[Ranger]

If we don't have the support for Jackson I'd rather go Enchant over dave or Ranger

You have my support for either Jackson or Enchant.

Why would you rather go Jackson over Enchant?

I prefer Enchant over JacksonVirgo, I thought that was clear.

I voted JacksonVirgo because they had more votes.

I've swapped to Enchant for the same reason.

That will remain the case today.

I would at least try to do something with Enchant's wagon. It already had 2 votes

I was one of those two. It was essentially vanity at that point.

Now it isn't.

[Enchant]

I obviously not claiming mason, but what if i am mason?????

[Ranger]

I obviously not claiming mason, but what if i am mason?????

Nice try, you can't be a mason because I'm a mason with Dannflor and T-Bone,

obviously

.

[Enchant]

I was just late to meetings.

[JacksonVirgo]

Any wagon within my pool of four, I'll support.

So as long as JV and Enchant are the focus, I'll vote either.

These feel contradictory

[Ranger]

Any wagon within my pool of four, I'll support.

So as long as JV and Enchant are the focus, I'll vote either.

These feel contradictory

Well, there's not going to be support for Naerys, and I doubt Doctor Drew would be.

[JacksonVirgo]

Everyone knows enchant is at E-1 yes?

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, there's not going to be support for Naerys, and I doubt Doctor Drew would be.

It's still weird to frame it the way you have

[JacksonVirgo]

awdawd