Mini Normal 2325 | Game Over

[Black]

More votes on Psyche and Jacob please

I won't be around much this weekend but we need to pressure some of these slots into doing stuff

[Psyche]

am not the only struggling to put forward content. the other guys just post whatever anyway

[ketchup777]

i am coasting, but it's not on purpose. i'll try one more time starting this evening to get my breakout moment.

Can you answer 1043 when you get a chance

@psyche

[Luca Blight]

And you, Ketchup? You're voting an absent player who is most likely getting replaced at some point, so your attention is better directed elsewhere for now. Do you have much in the way of reads currently?

[Psyche]

i already said i would share any fully cooked reads when i have them

[Titus]

Can I give you spices? Anything spicy you want help with?


This may or may not have to deal w me not reading

[Psyche]

i'll have something before the weekend ends or i'll fall on my sword or whatever

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: OutWorld

I'm going back to my gut feeling. I've got a sneaky feeling OutWorld/Black could be partners, actually.

[Titus]

VOTE: OutWorld

I'm going back to my gut feeling. I've got a sneaky feeling OutWorld/Black could be partners, actually.

Why?

[Psyche]

are you asking luca to elaborate on the gut feeling or the sneaky feeling or the decision to shift vote to gut feeling

[Gypyx]

this day really feels like it went for longer than 3 real life days

[ketchup777]

ok guys good post incoming in a min I just want to bloop #1111

[Thomith]

Votecount 2.5

Votecount 2.5

Black (2):

Gypyx, Titus

ketchup777 (2):

Jacob24, OutWorldER

Luca Blight (1):

Doctor Drew

Jacob24 (1):

ketchup777

Titus (1):

Hu Tao

Psyche (1):

Black

OutWorldER (1):

Luca Blight

Not Voting (1):

Psyche

With 10 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution, and 5 to secure a no execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-10 18:21:39)

Mod Notes

Jacob24 is being prodded.

[ketchup777]

And you, Ketchup? You're voting an absent player who is most likely getting replaced at some point, so your attention is better directed elsewhere for now. Do you have much in the way of reads currently?

There's been next to nothing to go off of today. I want to up the ante though.

Who would be for a massclaim be at this point to try get some momentum and not let the mafia have an easy ride in the shadows?

Please offer thoughts for or against this. Or just do

something!

As Black said in 1100 , we need to start pressuring people; thank you for pressuring me because the pace of this game is alarmingly stagnant right now.

end of post addition: I was going to offer up my rough current reads, but when I started with Hu Tao it suddenly turned into a surprise Hu Tao dismembering session. So here's my case against Hu Tao. It's so long it will be separated from my other reads. Here goes:

Hu Tao: Hmm well I looked at her ISO again just now, and, er... well. I found LOTS of things I am suspicious of. Here goes:

Sus 1: The destruction of bugs/dann:

After attacking Bugs' first in 39 , Hu Tao lays low until sensing an opportunity (perhaps) with Luca's 150 . Note the times between messages 150 and 151. Less than 2 minutes apart. Obviously we can tell that Hu Tao was online at the time, so maybe not so suspicious, but did she immediately sense an opportunity to exploit Luca and take it? Possibly. When she next comes on 70 mins later, she votes Bugs in 161 essentially sheeping Luca's reads. Black starts to cast suspicion on Bugs in 160 , and maybe this was the calling Hu Tao was waiting for? (ofc note that she could just have gone offline for a bit) Now she places her vote in 161 , and

continues to direct everyone towards voting this slot

, with 265 , 281 , 284 , 451 , 452 and 672 . For the people who don't want to go find those:

"Sorry you replaced into scum again, Dann. I was looking forward to playing with you again."
"Yep. Bug/Dann is scum slot. Let's keep voting"
"2 more votes. All we need for a day 1 scum elim"
"Stay the course of Dann. He's scum" [after Black switched her vote to Project]
"Dann is good at wiggling out of bad situations, but bug was scummy from their first post. Also with the meta involved."
"Quick. Someone hammer"

Read those together and judge for yourself, I guess.

Sus 2: other stuff

a:

Why am I very townie?

Jacob puts Hu Tao as one of his 'very townie' reads (along with himself, Drew and Luca). Hu Tao questions why she seems townie to him. If you were mafia, you might want to know this so you can keep doing what you're doing. As town, you could ask this too, but I think it's slightly less likely than mafia wanting to know why.

b:

I'm going to assume at least one scum is on the wagon. I'll dive into that a bit later when I have time.

Is it not likely to be more than one?

From what I’ve grasped, Dann is quite an influential player and seems to be respected. Was he not one of the biggest town threats in this game and so would have been important for scum to get him out at the earliest opportunity?

We aren't looking for teams at the moment. We just need to find one scum to get things in the right direction. There is not a reason to look for more than 1 currently.

Project begins to raise some good points and question the logic of Hu Tao and the reasoning behind the scumteam's kill. Hu Tao makes this strange statement I highlighted in purple above. Looking for the team and who could be partners is surely just as important and valid as looking for single scums? Now I did some more game reading for fun earlier because nothing interesting was happening over here and hey what did I find?

Remind me who you think my partner is, Hu Tao?

I'm sure you're scum. I'll figure out the other tomorrow.

The above is from the recently finished mini normal #2322, where Hu Tao was scum. Hu Tao used the same morally questionable logic in the endgame here on Jan 30th, a day and 5 hours before applying it again here. Suspicious much?

c:

There is also a bit of a disconnect between 941 and 942 . Hu Tao's "Hmm" read on Gypyx (rather than "townie") does not seem consistent with "This seems like a town post.

Unsure why there are votes on her at the moment

". "Hmm" suggests doubt, no? Then it would not be so surpising to see people also having doubts.

d:

Maybe we should vote off the wagon. Because scum shot on the wagon which was weird, especially since it was someone not many tr. Might mean they are comfortable with us voting in it.

I don’t understand. What?

Finally, Hu Tao hasn't answered my questioning here yet. Not suspicious necessarily but I still don't understand what she was trying to say.

well damn.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Fixed formatting.

[ketchup777]

oh crap the whole post wasn't meant to be in italics lmao. whatevs

[ketchup777]

Sorry if I'm wrong, as you've been nothing but friendly to me / townreading me so far. But there's my case. let's see your fight

[Luca Blight]

I don't see a mass-claim as being necessary or beneficial right now.

I'll read through the rest of your post in a bit.

[ketchup777]

My other reads:

Note: may be slightly rushed due to wanting sleep


Gypyx: Leaning town. Doubts people have been expressing could be valid, but 1095 is what makes her townie for me for now. The silence of the thread was 11 hours and 2 minutes. That must be the longest yet (excl. night phase). I wanted to break the silence myself, but wanted more to see who would be the silence breaker. Silence = good for mafia, at least until they get prodded. So I think, although it could be a double bluff, the first person to break the silence and try to get the game moving again was just always going to be more likely to be town for me (you missed your chance to pocket me, mafia!) (I hope...).

Titus nee Project: For why I am currently in a Project-is-town mindset, see 973 . For Titus, hardly anything to go off yet, but I like the logic used in 1077 . I had this thought of scum not caring which wagon won at some point as well.

Luca Blight: Sure, he got it very wrong with Bugs. Well, gotta respect the lad for trying. He keeps posting lots of useful analysis, and I agree with everyone who just think he is town (except Drew apparently, what you doing there buddy ): . If he's mafia, he's playing phenonemally so far. I think the mafia probably didn't kill him through a combination of fearing he would be protected (so can't kill him) but then realising that if they leave him alive, as well as taking out Delta to show everyone how wrong their reads are, people will start to be suspicious of Luca, maybe. Well I'm having none of it; Luca is in my good books for now. (: Even if by some chance he is mafia, he will hopefully keep offering up this juicy juicy analysis and keep the game moving. Mmm.

Jacob24: Currently inactive. If it wasn't for the surprise evidence I found against Hu Tao above in 1113 , my vote would still be on him. Some of his reads seem to be very volatile, and his singular post of day 2 accusing me without any evidence was shallow and unsatisfactory, showing the disengagement I might expect from a mafia member. Then to the second part of his most recent post,
"Also Lucca looks bad now for their bad ready of bugs/Dann."
Jacob begins to sow the seeds of suspicion onto Luca, just as scum wanted to happen when they decided not to kill him (see my Luca analysis above). Sus. Jacob also never answered Hu Tao's 450 . ayo you should probably stop dodging your interrogators my guy. (: His tone in general has just seemed off this game as well from the very first post, as I highlighted ages ago in 87 .
Also how did I go from being townread in 188 to being one of Jacob's top 2 suspects in 371 ? These were only 9h19mins apart! Talking of 371, two things:
--> He sheeps my reads format to seem like he is producing a lot of content, when in reality he does not give any reasoning for any of his reads so it would be easy to low-effort a reads list based on vibes.
-->

My list (for those who care):

This is a strange thing to say. All townies should care for some nice reads. The only people who wouldn't care so much (excl. disengaged townies) would be the mafia...

If only I could vote for 2 people at once...

ketchup777: Have you seen this guy's super awesome mega amazing reads posts recently? no way this guy not townie

Psyche: Conflicted between disengaged mafia and disengaged town. Leaning towards town at the moment based on vibes.

Black: Could be either alignment, but still lean town for now, although perhaps less strongly than last time I made one of these posts. Not my number 1 target but starting to be on my radar as the player pool shrinks because that's how this works I guess lol.

Doctor Drew: Without the vig claim I would have said likely mafia. But assuming I'm understanding correctly that 2 kills in the night must be a vig, this guy is fortunately close to confirmed.

OutWorldER: Unsure. Don't think I'm the best at reading him. Also I'm tired and need to go to bed. I'll try look over him sometime (someone remind me if I forget). He was protecting Dann but in a not-providing-much-evidence kind of way that isn't going to stop anyone from voting him so could have been an attempt to make himself look good. idk.

Fixed formatting.

[ketchup777]

NOOO NOT AGAIN

[ketchup777]

me when I try to use quick reply and mess up the shortcuts

[ketchup777]

I don't see a mass-claim as being necessary or beneficial right now.

I'll read through the rest of your post in a bit.

sure! I have no idea how it tends to turn out for the townies tbh

[ketchup777]

actually final thing before bed let's have an ISO count (accurate for the first 928 posts):

me: 113
Black : 100
Luca: 99
Gypyx: 92 (replaced in, first post was #294)
Drew: 51
Psyche: 48
OutWorldEr: 47
Hu Tao: 33
Jacob : 33
Project: 31

obviously looking at Delta and iavh, low posting is not necessarily mafia. but just gonna put this out there for future reference. (I swear I'm not trying to make myself look good I am aware I post too much please focus on the data as a whole and contemplate)

Could see a Hu Tao/Jacob/OutWorldEr scum team, although I haven't thought about their interactions with each other too much yet. Nothing springs to mind though, apart from Jacob ignoring Hu Tao's 450 . Ok, bedtime (:

[Luca Blight]

I don't see a mass-claim as being necessary or beneficial right now.

I'll read through the rest of your post in a bit.

sure! I have no idea how it tends to turn out for the townies tbh

The standard practice is to mass-claim when in mylo, or I guess melo it's called now? Where if another mis-elimination occurs then Town loses.

[Luca Blight]

actually no - mylo still works. I just woke up so my mind isn't quite clear yet.

[ketchup777]

I don't see a mass-claim as being necessary or beneficial right now.

I'll read through the rest of your post in a bit.

sure! I have no idea how it tends to turn out for the townies tbh

The standard practice is to mass-claim when in mylo, or I guess melo it's called now? Where if another mis-elimination occurs then Town loses.

Okey. Hopefully we can stay far enough ahead of the mafia to never even need to mass-claim then!

*forcibly abandons computer in favour of acquiring some sleep*