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[Dannflor]

i keep returning to 562 and thinking it's just a scum post

[Dannflor]

by the way, Ninja, if Roden is mafia here, I don't think it's wise to assume that his scum buddies would exclusively be in the slots defending him

I would expect at least one of his buddies to be soft pushing him or keeping him in their suspect pool given his relative absence and widespread suspicion

[SuperfluousNinja]

UNVOTE: dunn

I’m busy today but kind of following along very superficially.

Don’t really want a lynch while I’m afk and would rather lynch roden right now.

I’ll post more when I have time. But got too close for comfort

Don't really want a what?

[gob]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwWBfrMnYM0[/youtube]

[SuperfluousNinja]

by the way, Ninja, if Roden is mafia here, I don't think it's wise to assume that his scum buddies would exclusively be in the slots defending him

I would expect at least one of his buddies to be soft pushing him or keeping him in their suspect pool given his relative absence and widespread suspicion

I've considered that. But Hu Tao has not said anything about Roden at all and they could easily do this soft pushing / keeping in the suspect pool. And as for Vivax, his actions are just so hard for me to understand in a general sense. He kinda blows all of my "it makes sense for a person to do X in this situation" out of the water. It could be one of those "too obvious and too blatant to be real" sorts of things.

I admit it's a little shaky from that perspective, but I'm generally just following where my reads on people are taking me.

[DarthPunk]

UNVOTE: dunn

I’m busy today but kind of following along very superficially.

Don’t really want a lynch while I’m afk and would rather lynch roden right now.

I’ll post more when I have time. But got too close for comfort

Don't really want a what?

Ahh shit.

Sorry maybe I should just replace out of the game if I keep doing it.

I was phone posting while on my date so I wasn’t thinking. Again

[Oatsmaster]

Someone talk some sense into me? Does anyone want to take up an angle with me on how my read on Dannflor is wrong?

I did already if you don’t remember :p

If you don’t mind, I’d like some more elaboration as to why hu Tao is mafia

[Oatsmaster]

Hu Tao's vote feels survivalistic. I think they are voting me because I said I suspect them and are the largest wagon.

Does this ever come from scum??

[Roden]

Jesus, 15 pages since yesterday

Catching up now

[Dannflor]

idk hu tao doesn't feel that survivalistic to me

[Roden]

roden what is your read on DOP

Who is DOP?

[Roden]

If you read P11 and think Roden is scum then you should replay the tutorial

I'd gladly retake the tutorial but I'm still a bit on the fence. Oats complaining about rvs seems pretty normal and then he lashes out at Oats for no reason and then keeps a low profile afterwards.

Even the people scum reading me admit that Oats was being an unhelpful dick. Not sure how you find my interactions there confusing.

[Roden]

I really don’t see whatever it is you are seeing in that interaction vivax. Roden’s play looks like exactly what I would as mafia in that circumstance.

You seem like a good player, but this is kind of an embarrassing thing to admit

[Roden]

VOTE: DarthPunk

Im taking a stand.

Punk has been pretty townie, what is there to take a stand on?

[Dannflor]

roden what is your read on DOP

Who is DOP?

I meant, DP here, sorry

[Roden]

roden what is your read on DOP

Who is DOP?

I meant, DP here, sorry

He's like if Oats had social skills and knew how to play the game. I like his aggression, it could just be because he has pockets of activity but his short bursts of questioning and pressure feel natural.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Someone talk some sense into me? Does anyone want to take up an angle with me on how my read on Dannflor is wrong?

I did already if you don’t remember :p

If you don’t mind, I’d like some more elaboration as to why hu Tao is mafia

If you look at their ISO, here's the extent of their reads:
- Has "no clue" on Roden (like come on, you've really got nothing at all?)
- Voted Dunn because he "seems to just be making up reads"; that's the extent of their justification
- Null on Naerys (woop de doo?)
- Thinks I am super scummy (and yet their vote is on Dunn, even though they've spent a lot more time talking about how evil they think I am)
- Thinks Dann is townish without going into detail on it

And that's it, we know how they feel about less than half of the people in this game and everything offered up here is largely uninteresting, or somewhat confusing.

A LOT of Hu Tao's commentary has been meta game analysis. They spent a lot of time back-and-forthing about activity levels and what that means. Meta game analysis is always an easy way for scum to just talk about stuff and appear active.

Ironically I think maybe their most evil-indicative post is POST 666, talking about me:

After being called out about the take of "activity =scum" she still has a readslist where she is just pushing inactive players. As I stated before she's been proven wrong on the read already. Seems like she's just doing lazy reads and just because someone is making "big posts" doesn't change that

I mean nobody "proved" shit here. I don't think anything is "proven" in this game at this point, is it?? And I really do hate how dismissive they are about my post, like they aren't even trying to engage with it and are just tossing out some vague nonsense about how long posts don't generally make someone innocent. It's not the LENGTH of the post that matters, it's what's actually IN the post, and Hu Tao has done literally nothing to engage with anything that was in there. The best way scum could do away with a long, comprehensive post that makes a lot of good posts is to do exactly what Hu Tao is doing here, to drum up some quick offhanded surface-level rationale about it and avoid engaging with it as much as possible.

[Roden]

My case on Order is void at atp, I didn't like their early interactions with Luca and Vivax but 451 turned my opinion around. I vibe with the mentality "I only post what I feel I need to" and tonally I feel that their posting has gotten a lot better.

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I also had some reservations about Dann, at one point it looked like he may have been trying to pocket me with posts like 332 and when he was hard defending me while writing his case against Ninja. I think he ultimately is town though for later backing up a bit and concluding that he might've been too hasty, I think if he were scum he would just stick to town reading me and leaving it at that.

Luca I think is spewed town for being unable to discern that I was mimicking Oats' play and behavior when interacting with him and then not knowing that me calling them scum was a joke. They've overall been fairly townie and strike me as someone who's got a decent grasp on the game.

Ninja at first seemed similar to Luca, but the more I interacted with her and then saw some of her later posts, the more I think she's just playing with an agenda to elim people rather than scum hunt. Her insistence on arguing that I'm wrong about my own thoughts and intentions reads more as gaslighting rather than someone who's actually try to solve my alignment. 499 doubles down on this and is very tonally manipulative.

VOTE: Ninja

Where have I told you that you are wrong about your own thoughts and intentions? Can you show me examples of this? I don't think I've done this at all.

I find the accusation of gaslighting you to be extremely serious, by the way, on a personal level, so obviously I want to be really crystal clear about all of this. I want to understand why you think I'm doing this.

I'm not meeting you on uneven ground. This is a very manipulative post to make in response and just confirms my suspicions of what you were doing. I repeatedly explained the reasoning behind my interactions with Oats, and you've repeatedly chosen to ignore it and assign context and intentions that are not actually there. You are putting in effort to convince ME that my own thoughts were not real. And attempting to make it about you when I called you out on it (finding it to be "serious on a personal level") is a trademark gaslighter tactic.

[Roden]

Vivax is fucking locked off of 1 interaction where he believes it’s impossible that I think someone is town and wrong. It’s very funny at this point lol.

The lack of self-awareness here...

[Roden]

No I don't have any assumption that you're distancing from each other. To be honest I couldn't even remember what your stances towards each other were.

Okay. Well, Roden is my strongest scum read and I would very much love to see him yeeted today. Roden is also currently voting for me and used language in that vote that makes it seem like that opinion is pretty rock-solid and isn't going to change.

If you scum read me, why do you think I have a "rock-solid opinion"? Wouldn't it just be a fake read on my end?

[Roden]

I think that's just an honest to god perspective slip

[Roden]

On page 29, I'll be back in a few hours

[gob]

Hmm Roden, tell me more about your thoughts on Oatsmaster and SuperNinja.

Also, do you not want to go Vivax today?

[gob]

I have low self esteam,,, see double layers cause steam instead of steem. Most would think its a typo, but its actually me implimenting more meaning into my words.

[Oatsmaster]

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