In post 1211, outoforder wrote: gob is like slam just more coherent and incoherent at the same time lol.
i love having him around just for posts like this:I laughed my ass off yesterday when i read thisIn post 847, gob wrote:nobody caresIn post 845, Hu Tao wrote: I'll catch up on what I missed in like 2 hours or so
Do you honestly expect me to respond to that differently than I did?In post 1248, Dannflor wrote:I know, I will explainIn post 1243, outoforder wrote: It's a legitmate question Dann. And that is not a legitmate answer, at least it doesn't give anyone anything.
You know how expressing your reads work, right?
I was responding in that way to DP because it seemed like he was trying to "gotcha" me by saying it is ludicrous for me to change my read even though he hasn't been around
It's kinda emblematic of my read on DP overall tbh
he seems more focused on "getting people" then like actually sorting
I feel the same way when I look back at how he called my way way early game vote on Out of Order "Terrible." and jumped on me
WhyIn post 1235, Naerys wrote:kk Hu is probably town hereIn post 1232, Hu Tao wrote: I'm okay with voting Luca or maybe naerys.
I am discrediting it. Why would I give credit to it? Because at best when you post that you are bad town, and at worst you are mafia, either way, why should I respond to that in any way other than I did?In post 1249, Dannflor wrote:like the "Are your reads just arbitrary" assumes a level of malice and shows that he's going into the discussion with an intent to try and make me look badIn post 1239, DarthPunk wrote:Why? I didn't post anything. Are your reads just arbitrary?In post 1234, Dannflor wrote:ya i changed my mindIn post 1231, DarthPunk wrote:That's interesting cause the last post I read you thought I was town again. Now I am scum without having posted anything new?In post 1229, Dannflor wrote: i wanna kill DP
or at least that's how it comes off to me
it wasn't just "hey why did your read change"
it was "why did your read change and also DISCREDIT"
I dont think i am ever confident enough to yeet DP D1, no matter what. So yeah i agree there.In post 1246, Vivax wrote:I am reasonably confident Grack is town. As mafia it‘d have been more convenient for him to add to the pool of players suspecting me.In post 1226, outoforder wrote: Can you tell me with confidence you dont think there is no mafia in Grack and DP? (not that i am wanting to lynch them D1)
He went for an approach that made him harder for hin to vote me if the opportunity arised.
My own alignment is my most trustworthy piece of information, and I just felt that he gets me.
DP is another matter. Having me D1d several games in a row would at best make him heartless as town and at worst mafia, so standing up for me was NAI.
I already know he’s not heartless from his EoD on TL’s last game when he last-minute-discerned my alignment correctly. But he will yeet you if you don’t meet effort expectations.
For me he’s not a D1 lim anyway because I know he can just solve it later if he’s town.
All of this to say that I’m not going to vote him on D1 no matter what. Strong players are self-resolving no matter their alignment,
After our recent conversation, I'm realizing that half this player list is running into culture shock with the other half and the friction just leads into scum reading over disagreementsIn post 1005, outoforder wrote:The more i look at this, this whole scene here looks very unnatural and sketchy.In post 23, Roden wrote:It's just randomIn post 10, Vivax wrote:Yeah I think you were around when I got offered a leading position at a social media company, which I then declined to get a job instead.
Why the vote ?
Random voting stage stands for this; You place a vote on someone hoping it would spark a reaction that is unexpected from them as town.
Now from Roden's side:
- There is a reason Roden voted for Vivax. the vote is not random. I don't care what the reason is, but there is a reason why he chose Vivax from all the players. Now Vivax responds with "why the vote?", which is (or can be considered) an unexpected reaction to a seemingly random vote. As i put it, "why so scared Vivax?"
From Vivax' side:
- I don't find it completely unreasonable to ask "why the vote". However, Vivax fairly well knows what RVS stands for and should not be interested in the vote at all unless he is either thinking there's some suspicious activity behind the vote (why Roden chose him of all the players), or trying to counter-bait a reaction from Roden (which should be expected with the "scummy" answer -- "why the vote?").
Instead of anything happening, fucking nothing at all happens with here, while both players have reasonable reasons to push this further. If not to find mafia, at least start the discussion about something relevant. I find this very likely to be S/S interaction.
Honestly? I don't know you and don't necessarily know how you react to stuff as each alignment. But I do think generally town has more curiosity about read changes like that, and are less prone to jump on perceived inconsistencies as scummy.In post 1251, DarthPunk wrote: Do you honestly expect me to respond to that differently than I did?
Wow, I bruised your ego that much huhIn post 1006, Oatsmaster wrote: Anyway im voting
VOTE: roden
I reread the entire thread cause why not and roden cannot find anything to post about other than me. I think its fairly obvious hes not actually parsing whats happening and just trying to be active by "catching up" and not being relevant to the conversation.
Posts like these I also scum read you forIn post 780, DarthPunk wrote:Scum and null are not that much different to mafiaIn post 771, outoforder wrote: But i don't really understand why she doesn't put me in scum category there.
There should be nothing wrong for her to do that, it would just give her more suspects.
Or is it just being irrational = mafia?
The real question is why she town reads dann after apparently seeing only a vote post, on her, with no explanation.
When the best reason to think dann was town was the case she didn’t read…
Fortunately though we have like million days of D1 to figure out that shit you just pointed out.In post 1256, Roden wrote:After our recent conversation, I'm realizing that half this player list is running into culture shock with the other half and the friction just leads into scum reading over disagreementsIn post 1005, outoforder wrote:The more i look at this, this whole scene here looks very unnatural and sketchy.In post 23, Roden wrote:It's just randomIn post 10, Vivax wrote:Yeah I think you were around when I got offered a leading position at a social media company, which I then declined to get a job instead.
Why the vote ?
Random voting stage stands for this; You place a vote on someone hoping it would spark a reaction that is unexpected from them as town.
Now from Roden's side:
- There is a reason Roden voted for Vivax. the vote is not random. I don't care what the reason is, but there is a reason why he chose Vivax from all the players. Now Vivax responds with "why the vote?", which is (or can be considered) an unexpected reaction to a seemingly random vote. As i put it, "why so scared Vivax?"
From Vivax' side:
- I don't find it completely unreasonable to ask "why the vote". However, Vivax fairly well knows what RVS stands for and should not be interested in the vote at all unless he is either thinking there's some suspicious activity behind the vote (why Roden chose him of all the players), or trying to counter-bait a reaction from Roden (which should be expected with the "scummy" answer -- "why the vote?").
Instead of anything happening, fucking nothing at all happens with here, while both players have reasonable reasons to push this further. If not to find mafia, at least start the discussion about something relevant. I find this very likely to be S/S interaction.
This game is unfortunately just going to be harder than usual due to having to parse what is just friction and what is actually scummy
Now that’s a reason to lim someone because they intimidate you.In post 1229, Dannflor wrote: i wanna kill DP
because I believe he is scum and I have no qualms about eliminating scum even if they are a good town playerIn post 1262, Vivax wrote:Now that’s a reason to lim someone because they intimidate you.In post 1229, Dannflor wrote: i wanna kill DP
Felt it from across the globe once, when I gave him reason to be upset with me. Maybe I‘m just nuts but I felt it.
The force. The juice.
Now, why would you rather get rid of the prospect of having that on your side instead of befriending him if he‘s capable of that ?
You underestimate him. He‘s Lord BeerusIn post 1252, Dannflor wrote: It's also come to my attention that the people who know DP don't really seem to have good reasons to town read him
or it's more just like "he'll resolve" or "he could be scum but we don't want to D1 him" and thinking that people who knew him better than me had good reasons to town bin him was a large part of the reason I backed off in the first place
I also keep returning to this response to my initial push on DP.In post 558, DarthPunk wrote: Literally nothing in this case makes me mafia.
What was that reason?In post 1269, Vivax wrote: This Dann vs DP thing has good odds of just being TvT for the same reason I wanted to have a quarrel with Dann earlier.
I don’t wanna vote LucaIn post 1267, outoforder wrote: How about DP and Dann kiss and make up (***) and vote Luca?
Being antagonistic because someone saw their status challenged.In post 1270, outoforder wrote:What was that reason?In post 1269, Vivax wrote: This Dann vs DP thing has good odds of just being TvT for the same reason I wanted to have a quarrel with Dann earlier.
Is this not a waste of time then?In post 1265, Dannflor wrote: I understand this is an uphill battle
I understand none of his friends are going to want to kill DP D1