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[Vivax]

This Dann vs DP thing has good odds of just being TvT for the same reason I wanted to have a quarrel with Dann earlier.

What was that reason?

Being antagonistic because someone saw their status challenged.

Dann is supposed to be something like a personal champion of the site I think.

Maybe the fact DP could outshine him in the long term wants him to shut DP down.
It‘s kinda townie, but won‘t be helpful. Every duck measuring contest on TL ended up being tvt.

I don't think Dann has that much ego to do that.

He should have. I like his writing and find his presence pleasant.

Why do you care so little about steering the game ?

[outoforder]

So which is right Hu Tao / Dunn?

[Hu Tao]

I've never seen Dann have an ego at all

[Hu Tao]

Dann, OoO and Dunn are probably all town. I'm unsure on vivax. Their townread on me for the Luca vote I'm unsure how to take it.

[Vivax]

I've never seen Dann have an ego at all

I misjudged him then.
Low ego people don‘t fare well as scum though and I‘ve heard he‘s good at it.

If it‘s fake high ego we would probably get along well, being used to wearing larvas and all.

[Dannflor]

okay that's two other people beside DP who said my case on DP is bad

I will sleep on it and reconsider

as a side note I don't really vibe with the Luca case overall, I feel like it largely comes down to him not being as present and being more calm than the average player here

[Dunnstral]

Why do you care so little about steering the game ?

I'm not confident in a scumread. If I were I would be casing it. I thought Luca Blight's last post was reasonable so am not keen on joining the wagon. I think Roden is not towny, I feel bad going after them though. When I played with Naerys and they were mafia I thought they were town in the early game. Here I'm not really getting that feeling, so that might mean they are actually town.

[Dannflor]

I could probably kill naerys - not super satisfying but I didn't love 1077 hedging on roden

[Dunnstral]

Grackaroni actually looked at the linked games so that leans townie

[outoforder]

I have to say, Vivax

When i was reading the thread at work, your post #1110 almost made me throw my tools and shit and i was ready to murder you on spot, but then you made #1112. Then i thought "sheeet maybe it's town!Vivax after all, why not do this instead".

It really secured me when you asked Roden to vote for Luca. I had absolutely no idea what you were doing but i knew there was something there, that's my ultimate Vivax!tell.

[outoforder]

Dann, OoO and Dunn are probably all town. I'm unsure on vivax. Their townread on me for the Luca vote I'm unsure how to take it.

Vivax is very fucking town.

[Vivax]

okay that's two other people beside DP who said my case on DP is bad

I will sleep on it and reconsider

as a side note I don't really vibe with the Luca case overall, I feel like it largely comes down to him not being as present and being more calm than the average player here

Your feeling doesn‘t match the arguments brought up though.

Which would be that he townreads a lot of people compared to having a scumread that happens to be consensus.

But he is unbothered by the consensus scumread not gaining traction and he prefers to expand on his townreads.

[Hu Tao]

Dann, OoO and Dunn are probably all town. I'm unsure on vivax. Their townread on me for the Luca vote I'm unsure how to take it.

Vivax is very fucking town.

Seems like you just defend your town reads, am I right? Who do you Town read more Dunn or Vivax

[outoforder]

Dann, OoO and Dunn are probably all town. I'm unsure on vivax. Their townread on me for the Luca vote I'm unsure how to take it.

Vivax is very fucking town.

Seems like you just defend your town reads, am I right? Who do you Town read more Dunn or Vivax

Vivax.
Why would i not defend my townreads? Is there something scummy in doing so?

[Vivax]

I have to say, Vivax

When i was reading the thread at work, your post #1110 almost made me throw my tools and shit and i was ready to murder you on spot, but then you made #1112. Then i thought "sheeet maybe it's town!Vivax after all, why not do this instead".

It really secured me when you asked Roden to vote for Luca. I had absolutely no idea what you were doing but i knew there was something there, that's my ultimate Vivax!tell.

It‘s a game with murder drones flavour. That shit actually exists, I‘ve made more people want to kill me on the spot than just you. Without intending to make them want that, mostly.

I like being on ‚the radar‘ irl. Preferrably in company.

[Hu Tao]

No I just misunderstood earlier. I don't downgrade Dunn then. still think he's scummy

[Hu Tao]

Town read* not downgrade

[Vivax]

Dann, OoO and Dunn are probably all town. I'm unsure on vivax. Their townread on me for the Luca vote I'm unsure how to take it.

Vivax is very fucking town.

Seems like you just defend your town reads, am I right? Who do you Town read more Dunn or Vivax

Vivax.
Why would i not defend my townreads? Is there something scummy in doing so?

No and optimally you‘d want to do that when you TR the counterwagon to your wagon.

I think one should talk more about one‘s scumreads in general but be able to explain one‘s townreads even if it‘s just feels.

[outoforder]

I could probably kill naerys - not super satisfying but I didn't love 1077 hedging on roden

how does he go here? i dont get this...

[outoforder]

The main thing I'm bothered about by Luca is that he hasn't really pushed anything himself and doesn't have any strong scum reads outside of the consensus Roden

into...

okay that's two other people beside DP who said my case on DP is bad

I will sleep on it and reconsider

as a side note I don't really vibe with the Luca case overall, I feel like it largely comes down to him not being as present and being more calm than the average player here

into, lets vote for Naerys.

[DarthPunk]

Spoiler:

This is IML. As soon as a majority is reached, the lunch is served. Drumming for quick votes is more mafia indicative than town indicative. We don‘t have enough information.

Consider this a FoS on Dannflor.

I'm actually thinking now, contrary to before, that this might be a mafia post. I mean the theory behind this is legit, but we are playing on a site where RVS is pretty common and Vivax knows it for sure. There is simply no reason to say this, especially FoS anyone for a RV.

[...]
In this instance

I can see Outoforder having that certain abrasiveness and pushing notions I mostly can't find myself agreeing with

so he's the person who takes the heat while his team tries to appear reasonable. Main point that makes me vote him is how he approached gob which wasn't even a real read, he just said mafia wouldn't use such terrible reasoning.
[...]

This is simply what happens in every single game when i am town. Yet Vivax somehow deduces this as a scum tell for me. Note that he doesn't even think gob is mafia.

[...]

We differ a lot in how we approach gob. You tend to just take people playing in a scummy manner at face value while to me he looks just like a player who has fun being contrarian and has zero fear of dying

while annoying the hell out of people who take the game extremely seriously. In that way, I prefer to just treat him as a little thorn in the side who draws too much attention for the game's good (no offense though, I find it amusing).
[...]

I specifically find it suspicious from Oats though that he treated gob in that exceedingly serious manner while I did in a different one as described above

. I mean sure, he doesn't make sense but if he's town that's a main priority for scum to push. I don't know his alignment but I could see him being town shark bait. He's not even triyng to be scummy on purpose, he's just... Derp?

Made the post a clickable spoiler since i assume that was the intent

First underline, that's

exactly how i did and have treated gob

, i am scummy.
Second underline, Oats did the opposite, he is scummy.
What is scummy? Is every singe way you treat gob scummy or what?
There is simply no reason to assume Oats has done anything out of his town range anyways. Vivax should also know that.

Oats mostly from his abrasiveness and the whole stuff I already explained surrounding the way he handled gob who I saw as lunch bait at the time.
You because of the interaction with Ninja that I explained. Would have expected more pushback from you or let's call it OMGUS if you will.
OOO similarly to Oats because of his initial bad vibe I got.

Vivax just described how DP would act as mafia and turned the whole thing around so that

that

would look town and

this doesn't

.
Similarly Vivax just described exactly how me and Oats appear as town, rather than as mafia. Sure,

both of us could probably act like that as mafia

but there is simply no reaso nto believe either of us is mafia

because

of that.

DP what's your excuse of not commenting on this post?
Same goes for Grack.

What did you want me to say?

I noted it for later and was more interested in something else that I was filter diving at the time.

[DarthPunk]

The main thing I'm bothered about by Luca is that he hasn't really pushed anything himself and doesn't have any strong scum reads outside of the consensus Roden

into...

okay that's two other people beside DP who said my case on DP is bad

I will sleep on it and reconsider

as a side note I don't really vibe with the Luca case overall, I feel like it largely comes down to him not being as present and being more calm than the average player here

into, lets vote for Naerys.

Guy is mafia. Clearly.

[DarthPunk]

The main thing I'm bothered about by Luca is that he hasn't really pushed anything himself and doesn't have any strong scum reads outside of the consensus Roden

into...

okay that's two other people beside DP who said my case on DP is bad

I will sleep on it and reconsider

as a side note I don't really vibe with the Luca case overall, I feel like it largely comes down to him not being as present and being more calm than the average player here

into, lets vote for Naerys.

Guy is mafia. Clearly.

IM not even being flippant we should yeet him.

[Vivax]

The main thing I'm bothered about by Luca is that he hasn't really pushed anything himself and doesn't have any strong scum reads outside of the consensus Roden

into...

okay that's two other people beside DP who said my case on DP is bad

I will sleep on it and reconsider

as a side note I don't really vibe with the Luca case overall, I feel like it largely comes down to him not being as present and being more calm than the average player here

into, lets vote for Naerys.

Guy is mafia. Clearly.

IM not even being flippant we should yeet him.

Who would you go for if he flipped town ?

[outoforder]

"there is this wagon on luca i have placed interest in, i am voting for DP.
DP isnt happening so lets vote for naerys because she is hedging on roden"????????????????