Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[T-Bone]

Playing the game. Instead of using vaguely worded statements describe exactly what you mean.

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay. how did you play the game today

[humaneatingmonkey]

the way i articulated my feelings about you is pretty much exactly how i feel about you

[JacksonVirgo]

I might regret saying this but I am starting to think T-Bone is town

[T-Bone]

No, you first. You got to sit on being confirmed town today, how about you stand up and do something for a change of pace.

[T-Bone]

the way i articulated my feelings about you is pretty much exactly how i feel about you

Gut is fine! Even fair! I take issue with dressing it up with vague statements!

[humaneatingmonkey]

nah, im done with describing what i feel about you. if you want me to do more, im doing more with you right now by knowing more about you.

[JacksonVirgo]

Dave's presence this game has been luckluster and antagonistic, I don't like that. Especially given their recent attempt at saying what I was doing as illogical, which just feels like throwing shit at what I'm saying just for the sake of trying to be against me OR to boost up Drew's words. I am not sure if I believe drew and dave are both wolves, I believe one of them is for sure. I'm almost certain

[T-Bone]

I might regret saying this but I am starting to think T-Bone is town

I regret this too lmao

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Drew

[humaneatingmonkey]

im sure people would read that and if it resonates, then it resonates. if it doesn't, then it doesn't.

[JacksonVirgo]

@HEM, quick question. What do you think scum!me is aiming to do right now as a doomed slot. Do you think I would keep talking and trying to solve (or fake solving) and spewing more and more?

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Black is townie in regards to how they're treating my slot, I don't think scum would make the outlandish solve of "they're doing townie stuff but they're still wolf" instead of just pushing me and just selectively ignoring the stuff that I'm saying that they would deem townie. Unless they're trying to pocket me in which like, why? And also they don't need to as I already town-read them.

[T-Bone]

If your goal is to not eat the night kill then I think it is working.

If your goal is to leave the town with something substantial to work with, you're failing. You've coasted off of gob's final reads and the idea that JV can't reach LimLo. I'm looking for some game advancing content from you and honestly I should have picked on your sooner and that's on me. I'm town, leave me with something to work with. Or if you don't believe I'm town, leave them with something to work with. Either say something more substantial about me, or if you can't, about anyone else at all!

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay. how would you describe what you did today in the game as a player, t-bone?

[JacksonVirgo]

T-Bone town
Drew wolf
Dave wolf
HEM town
Naerys town
Black town
Ranger town
STD probably town but that's iffy based on how they've been treating me moreso than content
I'm clearly wolf

That's my current solve. Drew/Dave with STD as a backup.

[T-Bone]

I know I just went over this when arguing with JV. I don't care if you or anyone calls me scum, I truly don't. I'm still going to pick at it when it's not good enough. Take this as me confirming your suspicions if you want...but rise to challenge for the rest of the town. Don't change your read on me, I don't care. But if they flip me tomorrow based off of your say so and this is all you can muster? Then we both failed.

[JacksonVirgo]

Yo Bone, what's your thoughts on either of Drew/Dave

[humaneatingmonkey]

T-Bone, what I'm doing right now is engaging with you and trying to see what I feel about your slot and if I believe you. Because I scumread you. If you're truly sincere about wanting me to leave more, then humor me.

[T-Bone]

okay. how would you describe what you did today in the game as a player, t-bone?

I was going to answer this with snark but...

T-Bone, what I'm doing right now is engaging with you and trying to see what I feel about your slot and if I believe you. Because I scumread you. If you're truly sincere about wanting me to leave more, then humor me.

Thank you. I'll do some honest self-reflection.

[humaneatingmonkey]

@HEM, quick question. What do you think scum!me is aiming to do right now as a doomed slot. Do you think I would keep talking and trying to solve (or fake solving) and spewing more and more?

tbh, i think you haven't done anything unexpected for scum to do that would make me change my mind about you. if I'm wrong, I'm sorry about that and i understand how frustrating that might be. but i did everything i can today to push the game towards other slots that i think haven't received much attention, which i succeeded on, and i have encouraged you to solve the game despite being doomed and spew despite being doomed. i think i did my best game-wise.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I probably should not just take my death as something required, I don't think it really is anymore. I don't really understand the push on me except I pushed hard against Python in which, sure it's surface level "scummy" but is it really? I'm uninformed and I town-read them, but regardless. I think you're overlooking a few things. In particular what benefit would scum!me have to jump off of both Naerys and T-Bone when their wagons are my only way of saving myself. You can't say that "cuz they're ur buddy owo" when it's two slots when there's 2 remaining wolves so they can't both be.

[T-Bone]

My self reflection is this, I'm town and am playing a pro-town game. I think my game, in general, is different from a lot of other players when they are town because my goal isn't to look town.

I'm going to go a little further than what you asked to express my feelings.

On Day 1 I thought I did a decent job. Not the best I could have done, I put Python in a bucket of being annoying but probably town, which was a huge miss for me. I didn't argue with enough players. Which I know, that seems like a good thing, but that's how I get a better feel for people's alignment. I also don't mean argue like a negative thing, more like, what we are doing now.

On Day 2 I certainly felt like I coasted, looking back I don't know what I accomplished for myself or the game. Unlike Day 1, I can't remember a single conversation I had on Day 2 that informed my perspective of the game. So huge miss by me. I think after missing on Python I was too willing to just accept Dann's reads rather than continue to form my own. I had light_ganski as strong town on Day 1, and nothing Enchant said or did should have changed that. If we're all being honest, this should be the most damning aspect of my play.

Today I think I've vastly improved over the first two days. It hasn't been perfect, my argument with JV to start the day went on for too many pages. A smaller argument would have had value, but it got too large and I know that will cause people to scroll rather than read. If scum!JV helped me do that on purpose, great job, smart move picking at my weakness. I think I did a much better job today than I had on the previous two days of challenging players to explain themselves more. I felt like I let STD slide too long and I was finally able to get him to explain himself more on his read of me. Even though the argument went on too long, I think I've coaxed enough content out of JV that if they flip scum, we have better associations to work with then we did at the start of the day where JV was trying to get the day to end quick with their elimination. If JV is scum, that tells me the remaining partner is a little deeper. If JV flips town, then we have more honest takes from them to look back at. I think given the game state this is a big for us and one I think I get credit for. I think I coaxed a little bit more out of Naerys then she was willing to give. I'm still a huge question mark on Black, I'm still unsure what she has contributed, but I did try. I think where I'm lacking is not challenging you earlier in the day to leave us with more substance. Regardless of whether we are right or wrong in flipping JV you still have a confirmed town perspective that is worth listening to. We should have taken more advantage of that today, I knew it, and I let it slide. I think in a world where I was scum, this is also pretty damning of me and I need to be better as town. I also got too caught up in JV, Black, and Naerys, and if none of them are scum I have given space to scum in STD, Drew, Dave, and Ranger.

First and foremost I think I have represented myself well as town and trying to advance the game, get reads that I am comfortable with, and make some slots produce content they weren't producing. But I've also failed in some key places that I have to be better at.

Hope that helps.

[T-Bone]

If you need me to expand upon something please ask, I tried to be clear but I never know how it comes across on paper.

[T-Bone]

I'm going to undermine myself by saying I am every bit as good as scum to fake all that and everything I've done this game. I know I get questioned on why I point out how good my scum game is, but it is about honesty and I need the people who are actually town to make honest and good reads when they look at this game. Even if it means they conclude I'm scum.