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[Dannflor]

The way she picked out Hu Tap felt so random..

It felt more like she started focusing on them because Hu Tao was asserting a strong scum read on her

[SuperfluousNinja]

NGL, Vivax's sudden vote on Dunnstral feels like a panic move in response to a sudden plethora of convincing evidence of Hu Tao's guilt. Why are we suddenly shifting to Dunnstral? How convenient that it's a fairly inactive person. How odd that Vivax says so little to justify the vote.

I don't really like how little engagement Vivax made with my request for info on Hu Tao, either. He seemed unaware that I even suspected him, and frankly I haven't a clue what to make of that, but it's either neutral or willful scum obstinance.

[SuperfluousNinja]

It‘s also like nobody ever wants to bring him up.
Could Ninja + Dunn ve a thing ? The way she picked out Hu Tap felt so random..

This reads like a grab bag of poorly thought out suspicion that adds to the chaos rather than being useful.

Can you explain why or how Dunn's picking out of Hu Tao was "so random.."?

[Vivax]

NGL, Vivax's sudden vote on Dunnstral feels like a panic move in response to a sudden plethora of convincing evidence of Hu Tao's guilt. Why are we suddenly shifting to Dunnstral? How convenient that it's a fairly inactive person. How odd that Vivax says so little to justify the vote.

I don't really like how little engagement Vivax made with my request for info on Hu Tao, either. He seemed unaware that I even suspected him, and frankly I haven't a clue what to make of that, but it's either neutral or willful scum obstinance.

The first paragraph made me laugh out loud. Do you really believe that ?

[Vivax]

Dunn was at L-1 apparently.
Pretty close to being an easy misyeet if town. Why not though?

[gob]

they labeled me a deadbeat cause i left my father

[gob]

Can people post nightcore songs?

I need a soundtrack for when i get back and solve teh gaem

[Vivax]

Ninja town is more probable after all, that crazy drive to find an even only remotely plausible explanation for my play coming from mafia would be hard to replicate.

She thinks Dunn is town then? Noted for later

[Hu Tao]

Spoiler:

I‘ve been devil‘s advocate for you, don‘t you think ?

That earned me a lot of criticism, but in the long run it also told me that nobody would have done the same for you. Just cost me the extra effort, but I wasn‘t pretending, I actually believed it. To find the devil means to play his game first.

Except maybe Naerys, she might have done something for you, who resorted to calling Oats mafia without having a firm stance on you. A chainsaw vote.

Let‘s try Luca/Naerys/Roden ? See if anything changes ?

I'm okay with voting Luca or maybe naerys.

I think I'm leaning no on roden right now

Was this ever explained?

Because Hu Tao seems like the sort of player, in this game, to just go along with anything, so it surprises me that she would say 'no' to voting Roden here in particular.

Just a gut feel. I've played with roden as scum and town. I'm getting more of his town vibe than scum

[Hu Tao]

Hoo boy, ten more pages in the span of a few hours

I know this feel

[Hu Tao]

Yeah, Dann doesn't have an ego. Just a good player. imo

I don't disagree with the above, but at this point I'm going to put Hu Tao as a scumread. She doesn't seem to add anything relevant to the discussions, and only comments on thigs that have no real bearing on the game.

She has also voted me but not, as far as I can see, presented any thought-process behind this read.

Who knew that answering questions was suspicious this looks like just omgus.

[Hu Tao]

Yeah, Dann doesn't have an ego. Just a good player. imo

I don't disagree with the above, but at this point I'm going to put Hu Tao as a scumread. She doesn't seem to add anything relevant to the discussions, and only comments on thigs that have no real bearing on the game.

She has also voted me but not, as far as I can see, presented any thought-process behind this read.

This OMGUS?

Glad someone else caught it

[Hu Tao]

Dann, OoO and Dunn are probably all town. I'm unsure on vivax. Their townread on me for the Luca vote I'm unsure how to take it.

Again, very 'safe'.

Does anyone at this point have any idea about Hu Tao's scumreads? Does she even scumread me or is she just going along with whatever? That's what it feels like to me.

The fact that you didn't get the context clues behind this shows you're sus. And didn't comment on the posts after which clarify the reads

[Hu Tao]

I’m saying that voting for you doesn’t make her mafia.

It’s probably the most relevant thing she’s done this game and you aren’t engaging with it appropriately.

I never said it did make her mafia, I said I don't understand her thought-process on that, or much else.

How can I engage with a naked vote, exactly?

Lies. You literally just said it made me a scumread. Caught in your own web

[Hu Tao]

I’m saying that voting for you doesn’t make her mafia.

It’s probably the most relevant thing she’s done this game and you aren’t engaging with it appropriately.

I never said it did make her mafia, I said I don't understand her thought-process on that, or much else.

How can I engage with a naked vote, exactly?

You literally said “I’m going to put hu Tao as a scum read”

You see thread context and try and understand why your wagon is what prompted such a thing assuming hu Tao is mafia

Oats is preaching right now. Glad you were here at least during this

[SuperfluousNinja]

I found Roden very townie so far.
Laid back much even.

Out of the trio, OutofOrder has the highest odds of just being a scummy townie in my opinion. Mafia playing openly like mafia is good play though so I don't want to freepass that.

Dunnstral and Naerys are those I can't get a read on. They have their pokerface on, Naerys has opinions at least. Just not very verbose about them, so it's hard to tell if there's genuine thought behind them.

Gob is just chaos but he doesn't seem like he has an agenda. Can't tell if he's even serious about what he writes.

I'm currently ISOing Vivax and gauging whether I've got the right read on him as scum.

This one really sticks out to me. Of course we don't know Roden's alignment yet, but look at how careful the language on Roden is here, compared to the rest. It suggests a reluctance to say much, whereas he's comfortable talking about everyone else here (none of whom I think are on his potential scum team).

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Luca

What made you switch from gob to Luca here?

[SuperfluousNinja]

NGL, Vivax's sudden vote on Dunnstral feels like a panic move in response to a sudden plethora of convincing evidence of Hu Tao's guilt. Why are we suddenly shifting to Dunnstral? How convenient that it's a fairly inactive person. How odd that Vivax says so little to justify the vote.

I don't really like how little engagement Vivax made with my request for info on Hu Tao, either. He seemed unaware that I even suspected him, and frankly I haven't a clue what to make of that, but it's either neutral or willful scum obstinance.

The first paragraph made me laugh out loud. Do you really believe that ?

Yes. THAT made you laugh out loud?

[Hu Tao]

1.12

Roden (3) :

Luca Blight / SuperflousNinja / oatsmaster

Luca Blight (3) :

outoforder / Hu Tao / DarthPunk

DarthPunk (3) :

Dannflor / gob / Roden

gob (1) :

Grackaroni

oatsmaster (1) :

Naerys

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral / Vivax

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-12 04:48:03)

Mod Notes

didn't count oatsmaster's unvote at it appears to be accidental, if you accidentally make a vote / unvote you didn't want to please correct it manually for clarity purposes

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Spoiler:

I mean i'm not being very fair here, we *do* see a zombie drone but like, only for litterally 10 seconds at the start of episode 5, like

*We're in a scrapyard, with plenty of deactivated drones in a pile*

*zoom into the pile*

*we see a drone getting back to life, who looks understeandably a bit frightened by everything*

and that's it, not like really that's IT, this place / drone / THIS WHOLE IDEA never comes up again

Just quoting this for my iso. If one of these end up as scum I think it'll be good to look back at

[Vivax]

It‘s just so far off from the truth, it might as well have been the same stuff I wrote about who rayn is.

But you can believe what you want ig

[Hu Tao]

A bit more activity and this game could almost become like Imperial mafia when it built up 100 pages within two days.

This is how you catch the mafia. You give them lots of things they don‘t need or want to read until they commit sudoku

Funny you should bring this up, as there's one more thing I wanted to mind-dump about, and that's that I actually think this chatter about how Day 1 is so great for finding scum because of how long it is and such... I actually kinda disagree with the sentiment and I think it might actually be scummy from a certain angle.

Because, sure, having plenty of time to solve things is good, being rushed is bad. But there IS a limit to that. There is for sure a point where you reach "analysis paralysis" and it would probably be better to get some solid info before you do more. (FWIW, Oats realized this yesterday and I find that quite townie of him) whereas I feel like OOO is more arguing that ultra long days are just great full stop. I don't think I agree.

I mean at this stage of today, yes, I am genuinely starting to worry that we're going way too far down rabbit holes. Is that not a circumstance that's favorable to scum? To put down so many theories and work so many angles that now ANYTHING is possible? I'd feel better if it actually seemed like we were CONVERGING on things, but frankly, I am not seeing it. Darth casting a vote for Gob now? Vivax giving up on scum OOO and actually working with him? A continuous will they / won't they with Dann? Is anyone else feeling like, you know what, we all have some pretty good theories at this point, let's get some concrete evidence before we drive ourselves crazy with the analysis?

OOO also said (correct me if I'm wrong, I'll dog up the quote later) that it is, like, either really hard or nearly impossible to mislynch on day one because of how long it is. And like... No? I don't think that's true at all! If it were, I would have thought that the people putting together these games would have said, you know what, the way we've set this game up is just way too favorable towards town and so we need to change the rules in some way. If it were actually true that town disproportionately wins day one, the rules would have changed by now. That statement just otherwise seems like it's trying to bolster our Descent into our rabbit holes and the need to go even further with them.

Vivax, the fact that you are piggybacking off of OOO's angle that a long day 1 is so great just makes me think harder that I'm on to something thinking you two are scummates. If that bothers you, then that should actually convince you that maybe I'm right about this, because clearly I'm losing analytical efficiency and going down rabbit holes if I'm wrong about this.

Maybe I'm just not looking forward to getting flamed by Roden for another five fucking days but I really am leaning towards "let's get some solid info before we analyze ourselves to death". Knowing Roden's alignment helps quite a lot AND helps to redirect our energies. I don't expect we'll be yeeting anyone else today and I don't think we should either, so I'm probably not changing my vote. But I'd like to start using it again AFTER we've seen this one through.

Sorry for the long post, Gob. But also, no I'm not.

I'm going to be honest. I am willing to give you another look for town. When I see you post like this it makes me want to not read any of it since it's too long and I cba. But that's not fair to you

[SuperfluousNinja]

Before you do that, Hu Tao, do you mind giving me your read on Vivax? Along with any rationale for why you feel this way?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Roden

Okay people, explain this one to me. We are all pretty much in agreement that Roden is scum, seems like. We don't have his flip yet, but it certainly seems like we unofficially agree that we should be operating off the assumption that Roden is guilty, with any theory we come up with. Right?

Okay, so then if Luca is guilty:

1) Why is his VERY FIRST VOTE for his teammate?
2) Why would he do it this early in the game (he cast it on Friday)?

Like I'm sorry but "he's bussing" is a bad argument in this context. It's more believable and likely if it comes later and in reaction to points that other people have made. But he might actually have been the one to START this wagon (I need to verify that). Like just, right from the get-go, "fuck you teammate, you goin' DAYOWN, biotch!!" Like I'm sorry but I just really don't buy that. It's too proactive, too early, too completely unnecessary to make any sense to me.

This is such terrible logic I'm sorry. First off you don't know if roden is scum or not (unless you're scum) so why would you be going off that premise to start. Luca could be scum and independent of roden. It seems like a bunch of stretches to make this final point.

[SuperfluousNinja]

It‘s just so far off from the truth, it might as well have been the same stuff I wrote about who rayn is.

But you can believe what you want ig

But why would that make you laugh? Like where's the humor here?

[Hu Tao]

Like, whoever genuinely thinks Luca is guilty, do you really not have a better angle to work here, one that makes more sense and seems more likely, than one in which a guy IMMEDIATELY throws his teammate under the bus?

Like at the very least, independently of game stuff, it's clearly just a shitty thing to do to a person. Like you really do need to be an asshole to do this. You're kicking someone out of the game for your own benefit. Because you know the chips are gonna fall in your favor, right? I mean in this scenario, the person really is guilty, so you're probably going to get what you want here.

I don't know Luca on a personal level but he seems like a perfectly nice guy to me. This game can so, so easily bring out the worst in people so it's actually not that hard to get the measure of a person's character in this game, and Luca does not at all seem like an asshole, not even a little bit.

Last minute add: Vivax voted Luca in the time I was writing this. My read on Vivax stands.

I need to get to work. I want to focus on catching up on reading during what time I have so I'll talk to you all this evening.

?????

Like what is this logic.