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[Grackaroni]

And who is "our"? Am I the only one here who doesn't know what Team Liquid is?

TL players:
DP
Grack
Oats
Outoforder
Vivax

Basically, the top 4 highest postcounts + grack.

Rude

Where is your head at grack? Have you caught up to the thread?

Yeah I'm caught up.

I'm mostly clueless. I have a lot of question marks and not a lot of confidence that I'll be able to resolve those question marks.

Town:
Vivax
Oatsmaster

Town Lean

Ninja
OutofOrder

Null

DarthPunk
Dannflor
LucaBlight
Dunnstral
Roden
Naerys

Scum Lean

Gob
Hu Tao

[Hu Tao]

I think I'm e-2 now

you going to post that other game or not?

It's locked so it's hard to post but you can see in my iso. I tell naerys that I'm sus about her reason for town reading me cause I can see why others think I'm scummy.

Yes I was town.

viewtopic.php?p=13963126#p13963126

Yeah ok, I really don't think that is the same tho.

Yeah okay. it literally shows what I proved that I can agree with people who think I'm scummy when I'm town

[DarthPunk]

I took a look at a game hu Tao and Dunn were both town in, (as well as gob but I didn’t iso gob)

Hu Tao didn’t post like at all during lylo where they got yeeted. Not really sure what’s up with that. That game also devolved into setup speculation and claims etc which doesn’t seem particularly valuable.

Dunn was significantly more involved in that game I thought and had some really good posts that I have not seen here at all.
Dunn mafia :>

I play differently every game as scum and town.

I literally used this against people last game and won as scum because they soul read my town meta. So I think you'll not get much from meta reading. But feel free to try

It would be impressive to pull this off.

I try to play town and scum the same generally.

[Grackaroni]

I think I'm e-2 now

you going to post that other game or not?

It's locked so it's hard to post but you can see in my iso. I tell naerys that I'm sus about her reason for town reading me cause I can see why others think I'm scummy.

Yes I was town.

viewtopic.php?p=13963126#p13963126

Yeah ok, I really don't think that is the same tho.

Yeah okay. it literally shows what I proved that I can agree with people who think I'm scummy when I'm town

I don't think that's weird. I agreed with Luca's post on me and at the same time feel he's guilty of the same.

[Hu Tao]

I think I'm e-2 now

you going to post that other game or not?

It's locked so it's hard to post but you can see in my iso. I tell naerys that I'm sus about her reason for town reading me cause I can see why others think I'm scummy.

Yes I was town.

viewtopic.php?p=13963126#p13963126

Yeah ok, I really don't think that is the same tho.

Yeah okay. it literally shows what I proved that I can agree with people who think I'm scummy when I'm town

I don't think that's weird. I agreed with Luca's post on me and at the same time feel he's guilty of the same.

Okay. Then what's your reasoning for scumreading me?

[Grackaroni]

Vivax is basically already green checked to me, so Hu Tao jumping on Vivax as trying to avoid looking bad for being a part of her wagon as her main contribution in the game reads quite scummy to me.

[Dannflor]

this game is giving me a headache

[DarthPunk]

And who is "our"? Am I the only one here who doesn't know what Team Liquid is?

TL players:
DP
Grack
Oats
Outoforder
Vivax

Basically, the top 4 highest postcounts + grack.

Rude

Where is your head at grack? Have you caught up to the thread?

Yeah I'm caught up.

I'm mostly clueless. I have a lot of question marks and not a lot of confidence that I'll be able to resolve those question marks.

Town:
Vivax
Oatsmaster

Town Lean

Ninja
OutofOrder

Null

DarthPunk
Dannflor
LucaBlight
Dunnstral
Roden
Naerys

Scum Lean

Gob
Hu Tao

Is this in order? can you give some brief explanations.

Really I thought you would have got more out of the dann/dp/luca situation than a bunch of null reads tbh.

Why am I null when I have pushed your number 1 and number 2 scum reads?

[DarthPunk]

this game is giving me a headache

whyyyy?

[Hu Tao]

Vivax is basically already green checked to me, so Hu Tao jumping on Vivax as trying to avoid looking bad for being a part of her wagon as her main contribution in the game reads quite scummy to me.

Ah okay. So basically because you think vivax is town, it's warping your view.

So from my point of view, if vivax is scum wouldn't it be possible for him to soft defend me as town if he thinks I'm going to be eliminated anyway?

[Grackaroni]

And who is "our"? Am I the only one here who doesn't know what Team Liquid is?

TL players:
DP
Grack
Oats
Outoforder
Vivax

Basically, the top 4 highest postcounts + grack.

Rude

Where is your head at grack? Have you caught up to the thread?

Yeah I'm caught up.

I'm mostly clueless. I have a lot of question marks and not a lot of confidence that I'll be able to resolve those question marks.

Town:
Vivax
Oatsmaster

Town Lean

Ninja
OutofOrder

Null

DarthPunk
Dannflor
LucaBlight
Dunnstral
Roden
Naerys

Scum Lean

Gob
Hu Tao

Is this in order? can you give some brief explanations.

Really I thought you would have got more out of the dann/dp/luca situation than a bunch of null reads tbh.

Why am I null when I have pushed your number 1 and number 2 scum reads?

No if it were up to me that conversation would have ended after 1 or 2 posts rather than 4-5 pages.

If those reads are actually right then you will rise into the town group. I wasn't very interested in your Dann case based off him pushing/backing off of you and I'm weary that you are not coming off as townie to the rest of the players as you usually do as town.

[DarthPunk]

Do you think Luca could be scum?

[Dannflor]

hu tao, in world where vivax is town, where do you think scum are?

[Grackaroni]

Do you think Luca could be scum?

Absolutely.

[DarthPunk]

And who is "our"? Am I the only one here who doesn't know what Team Liquid is?

TL players:
DP
Grack
Oats
Outoforder
Vivax

Basically, the top 4 highest postcounts + grack.

Rude

Where is your head at grack? Have you caught up to the thread?

Yeah I'm caught up.

I'm mostly clueless. I have a lot of question marks and not a lot of confidence that I'll be able to resolve those question marks.

Town:
Vivax
Oatsmaster

Town Lean

Ninja
OutofOrder

Null

DarthPunk
Dannflor
LucaBlight
Dunnstral
Roden
Naerys

Scum Lean

Gob
Hu Tao

Is this in order? can you give some brief explanations.

Really I thought you would have got more out of the dann/dp/luca situation than a bunch of null reads tbh.

Why am I null when I have pushed your number 1 and number 2 scum reads?

No if it were up to me that conversation would have ended after 1 or 2 posts rather than 4-5 pages.

If those reads are actually right then you will rise into the town group. I wasn't very interested in your Dann case based off him pushing/backing off of you and I'm weary that

you are not coming off as townie to the rest of the players as you usually do as town.

Wait, do you think I am usually universally town read as town grack?

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

I'm about to start work, but I've just a a quick skim through which I'll have to go over again later. My first impression is that Hu Tao's vote on me at the point in time it occurred struck me as pushing a competing wagon to Roden, which I believe was a Town-driven wagon. Providing Roden is telling the truth, it is a common scum tactic to try to pit town wagons against each other, so if one fails the other will more than likely go through, and suspicion will remain hanging over that first wagon heading into day two.

I'm also considering a Dunn vote, as although I've liked some of his observations this game, he simply hasn't done enough. I would vote Naerys too.

I'll be back in a few hours.

luca do you think the team is like exactly dunn/naerys/HT?

do you think there can be a wolf in the super active posters and if so who is your pick?

I guess my reads are kind of aligning with yours but I'm much less comfortable with that than you seem to be

like HT/Dunn/Naerys doesn't really make sense to me just based on how those three are playing

[Dannflor]

it's kinda wild to have roden at null lol

[Hu Tao]

hu tao, in world where vivax is town, where do you think scum are?

Probably one of the people that are being stubborn. I think there is one scum in there for sure. It's easily to blend in. I guess maybe it's Punk or Oats. At least vivax was willing to see a world where I'm town after being stubborn. I still think ninja is town since that's been her SR since the beginning. Luca could still be scum. Naerys too.

[Grackaroni]

And who is "our"? Am I the only one here who doesn't know what Team Liquid is?

TL players:
DP
Grack
Oats
Outoforder
Vivax

Basically, the top 4 highest postcounts + grack.

Rude

Where is your head at grack? Have you caught up to the thread?

Yeah I'm caught up.

I'm mostly clueless. I have a lot of question marks and not a lot of confidence that I'll be able to resolve those question marks.

Town:
Vivax
Oatsmaster

Town Lean

Ninja
OutofOrder

Null

DarthPunk
Dannflor
LucaBlight
Dunnstral
Roden
Naerys

Scum Lean

Gob
Hu Tao

Is this in order? can you give some brief explanations.

Really I thought you would have got more out of the dann/dp/luca situation than a bunch of null reads tbh.

Why am I null when I have pushed your number 1 and number 2 scum reads?

No if it were up to me that conversation would have ended after 1 or 2 posts rather than 4-5 pages.

If those reads are actually right then you will rise into the town group. I wasn't very interested in your Dann case based off him pushing/backing off of you and I'm weary that

you are not coming off as townie to the rest of the players as you usually do as town.

Wait, do you think I am usually universally town read as town grack?

Have you even been eliminated as town in the games that I've hosted? I legitimately don't remember but my gut says no.

In this game you're being placed on the same level as me by lots of people lol. (Funniest thing to me was OutofOrder building me up as a threat that if I'm not eliminated early I'll slip through to the end.)

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

[Hu Tao]

Is DarthPunk a very good player?

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

I'm about to start work, but I've just a a quick skim through which I'll have to go over again later. My first impression is that Hu Tao's vote on me at the point in time it occurred struck me as pushing a competing wagon to Roden, which I believe was a Town-driven wagon. Providing Roden is telling the truth, it is a common scum tactic to try to pit town wagons against each other, so if one fails the other will more than likely go through, and suspicion will remain hanging over that first wagon heading into day two.

I'm also considering a Dunn vote, as although I've liked some of his observations this game, he simply hasn't done enough. I would vote Naerys too.

I'll be back in a few hours.

luca do you think the team is like exactly dunn/naerys/HT?

do you think there can be a wolf in the super active posters and if so who is your pick?

I guess my reads are kind of aligning with yours but I'm much less comfortable with that than you seem to be

like HT/Dunn/Naerys doesn't really make sense to me just based on how those three are playing

I have no idea what the scum team is.

I think there absolutely could be a wolf in the active posters. I'm very confident about you and Ninja being Town. Outoforder and Oats I'm fairly confident on. Apart from that, I'm not so certain about anything right now.

Darth would certainly be my pick as scum from the super active posters. As I mentioned earlier, a combination of any two of the very active posters could be possible, like Oats and outoforder, for example, who can just bounce off of each other and appear town in the thread. I don't normally like to go this in depth day one, because I think it's counterproductive to over-analyse things, as Ninja said earlier.

I'm currently at work, casually skimming through. I need to go over what I missed while I was alseep more thoroughly, which I'll get to a bit later.

[Grackaroni]

Vivax is basically already green checked to me, so Hu Tao jumping on Vivax as trying to avoid looking bad for being a part of her wagon as her main contribution in the game reads quite scummy to me.

Ah okay. So basically because you think vivax is town, it's warping your view.

So from my point of view, if vivax is scum wouldn't it be possible for him to soft defend me as town if he thinks I'm going to be eliminated anyway?

He hyper-reacts to stimuli.

I really strongly believe that I'm able to read him from a long history of playing with him and as naive as it sounds he's posted that I get him in the thread as well.

For me you were in the same spot where you placed me in your list post (Grack who?). You weren't really involved with the game prior to this push, and knowing that the push and the reasoning behind it is wrong is enough for me to move you from null to scum lean.

[Grackaroni]

Is DarthPunk a very good player?

Yeah I think he may be one of the strongest on the site.

[DarthPunk]

And who is "our"? Am I the only one here who doesn't know what Team Liquid is?

TL players:
DP
Grack
Oats
Outoforder
Vivax

Basically, the top 4 highest postcounts + grack.

Rude

Where is your head at grack? Have you caught up to the thread?

Yeah I'm caught up.

I'm mostly clueless. I have a lot of question marks and not a lot of confidence that I'll be able to resolve those question marks.

Town:
Vivax
Oatsmaster

Town Lean

Ninja
OutofOrder

Null

DarthPunk
Dannflor
LucaBlight
Dunnstral
Roden
Naerys

Scum Lean

Gob
Hu Tao

Is this in order? can you give some brief explanations.

Really I thought you would have got more out of the dann/dp/luca situation than a bunch of null reads tbh.

Why am I null when I have pushed your number 1 and number 2 scum reads?

No if it were up to me that conversation would have ended after 1 or 2 posts rather than 4-5 pages.

If those reads are actually right then you will rise into the town group. I wasn't very interested in your Dann case based off him pushing/backing off of you and I'm weary that

you are not coming off as townie to the rest of the players as you usually do as town.

Wait, do you think I am usually universally town read as town grack?

Have you even been eliminated as town in the games that I've hosted? I legitimately don't remember but my gut says no.

In this game you're being placed on the same level as me by lots of people lol. (Funniest thing to me was OutofOrder building me up as a threat that if I'm not eliminated early I'll slip through to the end.)

Im hard to lynch, but I tend to get into huge arguments with active players, like marv, koshi, rayn and get called scum a lot. then scum tend to jump on at some point,and fail to get off when they should. It's my number one scum hunting tactic.

I struggled in obs last game so much because most of my reads are generated through conflict and pressure.

I think you should know this tho.