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[Gypyx]

back in the hoping mood (we are so back)

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: Unfinished Gypyx case I probably won't finish

Opportunism Surrounding EoD1

I believe Gypyx acted opportunistic surrounding end of day 1, they were pretty consistent through the majority of day one or at least from memory but as soon as the pressure of the hammer spun around Gypyx seemed to shift their behaviour somewhat that began from post 679 where they seem to be jumping off the wagon with the preface of that if doing the action comes to bite her (Gypyx) in the ass, they would have Dannflor as a scapegoat. It reads as generally acting avoidant to responsibility for their own actions, their action in this circumstance being them removing their vote at a considerably important time in the day only to put pressure onto Dannflor in 684 in a way that feels fake, it feels like it was stated for the sake of vanity or to assert dominance in the thread moreso than them putting pressure on them in the hopes to solve Dannflor.

Scum!gypyx has the general obligation to try and control the end of day to a much more important degree than town!gypyx would and I feel like that shading on Delta's scum-reads in 690 was to try and position herself above Delta and to be able to set themselves up as a possible swing onto Delta if push comes to shove.

It feels like she's positioning herself

moreso than trying to solve the game, which comes up later to the current phase where they seemed to have tried to position themselves both regarding the results of the massclaim regarding their initial push on Psyche as well as her general solve prior to the masonry getting claimed. I tried testing and poking that solve multiple times to see if she humours a position she doesn't necessarily want or believe but if she's wrong etc which I will bring up in a subsequent section.

If you read this general period from 679 to the day conclusion at 819, can you honestly say that this behaviour is not opportunistic and the outcome of trying to position oneself when given the freedom to do so? I've called out only a few posts in particular but if I picked a random post between 679 and 819 there's a good chance it's what I would deem to be opportunistic and I welcome you to quote things for my thoughts on them because this is a minor point in comparison with my others.

This point was made under the assumption that I can accurately gauge the speed that the game occurred within when only looking back through the game's context as I was not in the game at this point and therefore if this was a super quick or super slow comparatively to how I am assuming it was then that could change my viewpoints but this is hypothetical, I am not sure if I will ever consider this to be not opportunistic.

Behaviour Surrounding Critique

Since I replaced in, I dropped a vote onto Gypyx pretty fast because I caught onto them because of the logic based in my previous section. Their response back to me was pretty bad considering it all, they decided to instead take my read for what it is, they decided to discredit my entire slot instead in 1230 with "oh no jacob rolled scum again ". I don't believe this was anywhere near justified to say if not to get in early before I can push them any further which is a common pattern for Gypyx, referring directly to them trying to shut my thoughts down around the mass-claim when I said that I solved the game. This is a consistent behaviour trope for Gypyx this game.

When I pushed back on this behaviour, they instead go back on their own beliefs and shift it to a town-read with the exact quote being "jokes aside this is a very towny start" in 1232 which seems to be them

avoiding responsibility

to shift their position to one where they attempt to get me on their good side, which is shown in a much greater light by all the praise/flattery and general niceties such as 1234, 1236 and 1439 as examples which seems to be doing very soft "puppy dog"-like wording which didn't seem to fit with their acknowledgement of their "paranoia" of me in 1201 with their "oh no it's so over we're so read oh god oh fuck no no no no no no no no no" referring to a game where I won as wolf against them. These interactions aren't consistent and the way they explain this inconsistency is just "just having fun with things" in 1448 which is once again not taking responsibility for their behaviour and just throwing it away as just a joke since the pocketing just wasn't working on me so they had to shift to

positioning themselves

in a way that benefits this position and that was to keep me in the PoE by labelling me as "yeah not pushing this cuz I have this push, but you're not townie" in 1444 which was always something I hated but never brought back up. It really is positioning themselves to be able to push anybody they need to moreso than genuinely seeming to solve the game.

omg I just realised I forgot to read your last unfinished one. Is this the same as the last one?

Oh did I already post it?

[ketchup777]

Spoiler: Unfinished Gypyx case I probably won't finish

Opportunism Surrounding EoD1

I believe Gypyx acted opportunistic surrounding end of day 1, they were pretty consistent through the majority of day one or at least from memory but as soon as the pressure of the hammer spun around Gypyx seemed to shift their behaviour somewhat that began from post 679 where they seem to be jumping off the wagon with the preface of that if doing the action comes to bite her (Gypyx) in the ass, they would have Dannflor as a scapegoat. It reads as generally acting avoidant to responsibility for their own actions, their action in this circumstance being them removing their vote at a considerably important time in the day only to put pressure onto Dannflor in 684 in a way that feels fake, it feels like it was stated for the sake of vanity or to assert dominance in the thread moreso than them putting pressure on them in the hopes to solve Dannflor.

Scum!gypyx has the general obligation to try and control the end of day to a much more important degree than town!gypyx would and I feel like that shading on Delta's scum-reads in 690 was to try and position herself above Delta and to be able to set themselves up as a possible swing onto Delta if push comes to shove.

It feels like she's positioning herself

moreso than trying to solve the game, which comes up later to the current phase where they seemed to have tried to position themselves both regarding the results of the massclaim regarding their initial push on Psyche as well as her general solve prior to the masonry getting claimed. I tried testing and poking that solve multiple times to see if she humours a position she doesn't necessarily want or believe but if she's wrong etc which I will bring up in a subsequent section.

If you read this general period from 679 to the day conclusion at 819, can you honestly say that this behaviour is not opportunistic and the outcome of trying to position oneself when given the freedom to do so? I've called out only a few posts in particular but if I picked a random post between 679 and 819 there's a good chance it's what I would deem to be opportunistic and I welcome you to quote things for my thoughts on them because this is a minor point in comparison with my others.

This point was made under the assumption that I can accurately gauge the speed that the game occurred within when only looking back through the game's context as I was not in the game at this point and therefore if this was a super quick or super slow comparatively to how I am assuming it was then that could change my viewpoints but this is hypothetical, I am not sure if I will ever consider this to be not opportunistic.

Behaviour Surrounding Critique

Since I replaced in, I dropped a vote onto Gypyx pretty fast because I caught onto them because of the logic based in my previous section. Their response back to me was pretty bad considering it all, they decided to instead take my read for what it is, they decided to discredit my entire slot instead in 1230 with "oh no jacob rolled scum again ". I don't believe this was anywhere near justified to say if not to get in early before I can push them any further which is a common pattern for Gypyx, referring directly to them trying to shut my thoughts down around the mass-claim when I said that I solved the game. This is a consistent behaviour trope for Gypyx this game.

When I pushed back on this behaviour, they instead go back on their own beliefs and shift it to a town-read with the exact quote being "jokes aside this is a very towny start" in 1232 which seems to be them

avoiding responsibility

to shift their position to one where they attempt to get me on their good side, which is shown in a much greater light by all the praise/flattery and general niceties such as 1234, 1236 and 1439 as examples which seems to be doing very soft "puppy dog"-like wording which didn't seem to fit with their acknowledgement of their "paranoia" of me in 1201 with their "oh no it's so over we're so read oh god oh fuck no no no no no no no no no" referring to a game where I won as wolf against them. These interactions aren't consistent and the way they explain this inconsistency is just "just having fun with things" in 1448 which is once again not taking responsibility for their behaviour and just throwing it away as just a joke since the pocketing just wasn't working on me so they had to shift to

positioning themselves

in a way that benefits this position and that was to keep me in the PoE by labelling me as "yeah not pushing this cuz I have this push, but you're not townie" in 1444 which was always something I hated but never brought back up. It really is positioning themselves to be able to push anybody they need to moreso than genuinely seeming to solve the game.

omg I just realised I forgot to read your last unfinished one. Is this the same as the last one?

Oh did I already post it?

maybe it was just the picture I can't remember

stress stress stress

[JacksonVirgo]

Lmfao, I believe every time I did it it was a gif of noah sebastian

[JacksonVirgo]

Cuz he's so attractive clearly

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: Unfinished Gypyx case I probably won't finish

Opportunism Surrounding EoD1

I believe Gypyx acted opportunistic surrounding end of day 1, they were pretty consistent through the majority of day one or at least from memory but as soon as the pressure of the hammer spun around Gypyx seemed to shift their behaviour somewhat that began from post 679 where they seem to be jumping off the wagon with the preface of that if doing the action comes to bite her (Gypyx) in the ass, they would have Dannflor as a scapegoat. It reads as generally acting avoidant to responsibility for their own actions, their action in this circumstance being them removing their vote at a considerably important time in the day only to put pressure onto Dannflor in 684 in a way that feels fake, it feels like it was stated for the sake of vanity or to assert dominance in the thread moreso than them putting pressure on them in the hopes to solve Dannflor.

Scum!gypyx has the general obligation to try and control the end of day to a much more important degree than town!gypyx would and I feel like that shading on Delta's scum-reads in 690 was to try and position herself above Delta and to be able to set themselves up as a possible swing onto Delta if push comes to shove.

It feels like she's positioning herself

moreso than trying to solve the game, which comes up later to the current phase where they seemed to have tried to position themselves both regarding the results of the massclaim regarding their initial push on Psyche as well as her general solve prior to the masonry getting claimed. I tried testing and poking that solve multiple times to see if she humours a position she doesn't necessarily want or believe but if she's wrong etc which I will bring up in a subsequent section.

If you read this general period from 679 to the day conclusion at 819, can you honestly say that this behaviour is not opportunistic and the outcome of trying to position oneself when given the freedom to do so? I've called out only a few posts in particular but if I picked a random post between 679 and 819 there's a good chance it's what I would deem to be opportunistic and I welcome you to quote things for my thoughts on them because this is a minor point in comparison with my others.

This point was made under the assumption that I can accurately gauge the speed that the game occurred within when only looking back through the game's context as I was not in the game at this point and therefore if this was a super quick or super slow comparatively to how I am assuming it was then that could change my viewpoints but this is hypothetical, I am not sure if I will ever consider this to be not opportunistic.

Behaviour Surrounding Critique

Since I replaced in, I dropped a vote onto Gypyx pretty fast because I caught onto them because of the logic based in my previous section. Their response back to me was pretty bad considering it all, they decided to instead take my read for what it is, they decided to discredit my entire slot instead in 1230 with "oh no jacob rolled scum again ". I don't believe this was anywhere near justified to say if not to get in early before I can push them any further which is a common pattern for Gypyx, referring directly to them trying to shut my thoughts down around the mass-claim when I said that I solved the game. This is a consistent behaviour trope for Gypyx this game.

When I pushed back on this behaviour, they instead go back on their own beliefs and shift it to a town-read with the exact quote being "jokes aside this is a very towny start" in 1232 which seems to be them

avoiding responsibility

to shift their position to one where they attempt to get me on their good side, which is shown in a much greater light by all the praise/flattery and general niceties such as 1234, 1236 and 1439 as examples which seems to be doing very soft "puppy dog"-like wording which didn't seem to fit with their acknowledgement of their "paranoia" of me in 1201 with their "oh no it's so over we're so read oh god oh fuck no no no no no no no no no" referring to a game where I won as wolf against them. These interactions aren't consistent and the way they explain this inconsistency is just "just having fun with things" in 1448 which is once again not taking responsibility for their behaviour and just throwing it away as just a joke since the pocketing just wasn't working on me so they had to shift to

positioning themselves

in a way that benefits this position and that was to keep me in the PoE by labelling me as "yeah not pushing this cuz I have this push, but you're not townie" in 1444 which was always something I hated but never brought back up. It really is positioning themselves to be able to push anybody they need to moreso than genuinely seeming to solve the game.

do i answer that or what's the idea here

[JacksonVirgo]

I just wanted it out of my drafts

[Gypyx]

i can't belive my "i can't belive jackson rolled scum " was taken that seriously holy shit

[Gypyx]

I just wanted it out of my drafts

Yeah that's fair

[ketchup777]

Lmfao, I believe every time I did it it was a gif of noah sebastian

yeah I think i didn't open the one before this

you got me again LMFAO

[JacksonVirgo]

Ahahahaha that's amazing

[Gypyx]

would be glad to answer specifics if any third party is especially moved by anything

[JacksonVirgo]

Gypyx how confident are you in outworld

[Gypyx]

Anyways jackson (no swear words here guaranteed, idk how long it'll be)

i'm really hoping here that even if our plays mutually clash into each other at max speed and that i'm probably losing a lot of symathy in your eyes (fully expecting to eat a well deserved blacklist after that), we can manage to come together and make abstraction of that to get on a better end than "Gypyx had a mental breakdown and was a huge asshole to jackson before commiting suicide by town vote, the end"

just like idk, Hu Tao / Ketchup are also town, and their perspective is as justified as yours, please hear me out as i'm saying this

idk, i'm a huge idiot so it's probably a bit late for that anyways

[Gypyx]

Gypyx how confident are you in outworld

On a setup basis it's simple, if you're town either he *is* scum or the team is like Hu Tao + Psyche + whoever

on a reads basis it's simple
> Psyche is 1v1'ing me
> Hu Tao is probably one of the only reasons i'm not back to screaming at you which i belive is protown
> Ketchup is bleeding towniness
> You / Luca are conftown
> Me is me
> This leaves Outworld / Black / Psyche

[Hu Tao]

I can't believe I'm the only one that hard townreads gypyx tbh. I definitely wanna see what dead thread was saying post game. Because that seems like the easiest read to me

[Gypyx]

i think me calling jackson all sorts of names is making it easier for him (and incidentally Luca) to not see it

i know he still was scumreading me before but i feel like a lot of my townspew was post-massclaim anyways

[ketchup777]

Gypyx how confident are you in outworld

On a setup basis it's simple, if you're town either he *is* scum or the team is like

Hu Tao + Psyche + whoever

on a reads basis it's simple
> Psyche is 1v1'ing me
> Hu Tao is probably one of the only reasons i'm not back to screaming at you which i belive is protown
> Ketchup is bleeding towniness
> You / Luca are conftown
> Me is me
> This leaves Outworld / Black / Psyche

Don't do that. No case there works.

Hu Tao+Psyche+?

?=

not Jackson or Luca because they're together
not me because Outworld confirmed me as VT
not Outworld because 2369 logic, they could've blitzhammered
not you from your POV
not Black because then OutWorld's macho doesn't make sense


I have to go

don't mess this up
Outworld has to be gone

[Gypyx]

Gypyx how confident are you in outworld

On a setup basis it's simple, if you're town either he *is* scum or the team is like

Hu Tao + Psyche + whoever

on a reads basis it's simple
> Psyche is 1v1'ing me
> Hu Tao is probably one of the only reasons i'm not back to screaming at you which i belive is protown
> Ketchup is bleeding towniness
> You / Luca are conftown
> Me is me
> This leaves Outworld / Black / Psyche

Don't do that. No case there works.

Hu Tao+Psyche+?

?=

not Jackson or Luca because they're together
not me because Outworld confirmed me as VT
not Outworld because 2369 logic, they could've blitzhammered
not you from your POV
not Black because then OutWorld's macho doesn't make sense


I have to go

don't mess this up
Outworld has to be gone

yeah sorry i've left out the "and this doesn't make sense" part

[Gypyx]

anyways thanks for being my mental anchor this game Hu, you're a real oomfie for that

[Black]

I can't believe I'm the only one that hard townreads gypyx tbh. I definitely wanna see what dead thread was saying post game. Because that seems like the easiest read to me

It feels like caught scum that knows how to try and get townreads. A lot of the AtE has felt overdone and it keeps happening in waves that makes me feel like it's fabricated. Like she will lash out and then retract and it keeps going in those cycles. Just look at the post beneath yours. Gypyx is aware that she is townspewing. It's deliberate and part of her agenda

[Gypyx]

black i'm gonna be real like, i'm actually mentally unstable, and i get you wanna go against me but please don't push me on the grounds that i'm faking it cause 1. this is a poor assessment of my character (i'm not going that far to gain a mafiascum normal) and 2. i don't think we wanna go down the rabbit hole of discussing if i'm actually having the issues i claim i'm having

as for the other stuff while i appreciate the high standarts you're holding me to i don't think i'm *that* good at posting town stuff as scum and while stuff can change during a hiatus, this would be a massive leap in scumplay for me

i'm calling it townspewing cause once again, i feel like i'm just spilling my guts on the floor for everyone to see and that it should be obvious to see that i'm really meaning everything that i've said (well maybe everything, there's certainely things that were said out of anger that i'm regretting but like, there's no dishonesty here)

[Gypyx]

maybe not everything*

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyways jackson (no swear words here guaranteed, idk how long it'll be)

i'm really hoping here that even if our plays mutually clash into each other at max speed and that i'm probably losing a lot of symathy in your eyes (fully expecting to eat a well deserved blacklist after that), we can manage to come together and make abstraction of that to get on a better end than "Gypyx had a mental breakdown and was a huge asshole to jackson before commiting suicide by town vote, the end"

just like idk, Hu Tao / Ketchup are also town, and their perspective is as justified as yours, please hear me out as i'm saying this

idk, i'm a huge idiot so it's probably a bit late for that anyways

I don't want to be apathetic towards your slot, but it's true that I'm getting there. There's no chance I don't push you tomorrow assuming you survive and if history serves, I have very little confidence that you won't just go back to the behaviour you showed. It seems every time there's a conflict, you just barrage people with negativity and insults and I seem to be the main focal point of that probably due to me being the most vocally against you. When there was a moment of pleasantries surrounding the point of the game where you realised that the masonry was indeed just a masonry, this toxicity wasn't there but the moment I kept pushing you it came flooding back immediately. I don't hold much faith that things will turn around, and this is me explicitly overlooking the world where this is malicious.

[Gypyx]

Anyways jackson (no swear words here guaranteed, idk how long it'll be)

i'm really hoping here that even if our plays mutually clash into each other at max speed and that i'm probably losing a lot of symathy in your eyes (fully expecting to eat a well deserved blacklist after that), we can manage to come together and make abstraction of that to get on a better end than "Gypyx had a mental breakdown and was a huge asshole to jackson before commiting suicide by town vote, the end"

just like idk, Hu Tao / Ketchup are also town, and their perspective is as justified as yours, please hear me out as i'm saying this

idk, i'm a huge idiot so it's probably a bit late for that anyways

I don't want to be apathetic towards your slot, but it's true that I'm getting there. There's no chance I don't push you tomorrow assuming you survive and if history serves, I have very little confidence that you won't just go back to the behaviour you showed. It seems every time there's a conflict, you just barrage people with negativity and insults and I seem to be the main focal point of that probably due to me being the most vocally against you. When there was a moment of pleasantries surrounding the point of the game where you realised that the masonry was indeed just a masonry, this toxicity wasn't there but the moment I kept pushing you it came flooding back immediately. I don't hold much faith that things will turn around, and this is me explicitly overlooking the world where this is malicious.

very much sorry about that

i'm a huge messr