In post 1422, Bell wrote:
For all my yadayada and etcetera etcetera, I’m generally against players being eliminated simply because they can be good at being scum.
I do need reasons for Spiffeh being scum other than that they appear pretty proactive and very much not like paralyzed I hate my life scum.
Which they have said before they joined.
I’m not sure how much I should be focusing on the possibility of scum coaching going on. It feels like something scum me would harp on and on and on about.
But, sircakez is definitely not being coached.
There’s enough deviation in other people’s play that I do think they’re being managed though.
I think in general that how everyone is playing points to someone actively coaching a few players since there’s deviations to what I’d expect from them.
That requires me to keep tabs on ppl’s meta and see if it’s different from their usual shenanigans.
I’m too lazy to keep metas when I’m too lazy to read the game I’m in half of the time.
If you feel you had something important to say but you forgot what it was and thus it wasn’t important doesn’t that mean you shouldn’t feel it was important to say?
But right now is not game about being suspicious or not, it's about being likeble.
Previous game where "i was correctly read as town", only reason i was paired because cakes was way worse (somehow), and even then, i got scammed and left the dance late.
I kinda want to say pair Enchant with ydra to keep her entertained, but yet again, that is my inner sadism speaking and it has nothing to do with my reads nor game state.
In post 1432, Bell wrote:
I think in general that how everyone is playing points to someone actively coaching a few players since there’s deviations to what I’d expect from them.
I’m not actually sure though, I’m not scum.
This feels like a half thought, I’m still not following.
not nearly enough data but slightly lean scummy:
[LLD, cabd, gypyx, rce]
kinda scummy:
[firebringer]
i don't think i would necessarily say that firebringer is my strongest scumread but that may be because im not sure that i have a solid scumread anywhere. previously it was spiffeh for a while but now im less sure on that
I understand that your reads list is probably rightfully not really considering this, but how do you reconcile having Cabd and FB so low when they've both vocally and confidently claimed they will be leaving the dance at some point before endgame? This is something I'd really only expect from town as scum can easily be held accountable for statements like these. Is this something that's reflected in your read on them, or does this not really matter to you?
in my experience, scum will claim this all the time in dance games because they know that people expect only town will do this. i think generally in dances there ends up being too many people who say this sort of thing (some of them being town) for it to be reasonably held accountable. especially when there's what you might call "power pairings", it's almost a given that people will make that sort of threat, town or scum. it doesn't really affect my read on them
in new years dance which i linked earlier, me and ydra paired both saying that we weren't going to let the other endgame, and she was scum (and she did leave, which is obviously rare, but still)
But right now is not game about being suspicious or not, it's about being likeble.
Previous game where "i was correctly read as town", only reason i was paired because cakes was way worse (somehow), and even then, i got scammed and left the dance late.
ok but even your defeatism there was also like way townier of a mindset. and there were people who read that correctly
For me the spiffeh thing has less to do with how i think he'd behave as scum, and more to do with some of his recent posting, namely:
- kinda don't understand his gypyx trajectory, or how he became that confident in town-her
- cabd declaring them a high confidence tvt pair made me go ... huh?
- ffery townread almost feels white-knight-y
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'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
In post 1432, Bell wrote:
I think in general that how everyone is playing points to someone actively coaching a few players since there’s deviations to what I’d expect from them.
I’m not actually sure though, I’m not scum.
This feels like a half thought, I’m still not following.
All of my thoughts are half thoughts.
The shape of the game and people’s actions just don’t really fit with my conception of them and some players are approaching the game from unexpected angles.
Surprisingly this doesn’t include HST who is moving in expected angles.
In post 1443, skitter30 wrote:
For me the spiffeh thing has less to do with how i think he'd behave as scum, and more to do with some of his recent posting, namely:
- kinda don't understand his gypyx trajectory, or how he became that confident in town-her
- cabd declaring them a high confidence tvt pair made me go ... huh?
- ffery townread almost feels white-knight-y
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i do agree with all of those points. i don't think i directly said this, but i felt like him saying in 495 that firebringer's scumread of ffery was for "chaotic shock value" because ffery was obviously not scum was really fascinating because i think it was a relatively common read of the thread from town to find ffery's early game stiff. so for his read to deviate that much felt like it either came from having different information (knowing she's town), or from increased familiarity with her. but bell is familiar with her and did read the stiffness and i think bell is town
i did start to wonder at some point whether scum would be actually less likely to go against the grain so obviously but i might have been overthinking it
