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Post Post #1500 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:39 am

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In post 1498, Enchant wrote:
In post 1490, Ydrasse wrote: what if i danced with enchant
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Post Post #1501 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:40 am

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In post 1482, fferyllt wrote: Despite my paranoia reads list (which you don't get to see atm), I like some recent Skitter posts.
I'm curious, can you share more abt this?
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Post Post #1502 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:42 am

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In post 1499, Save The Dragons wrote: ffery

i should clarify

i think your ATE could be you channeling emotions into false indignation at not being tr

not necessarily that you are incapable of ATEing as town

but since you brought it up, i've skimmed that iso a couple of times and can't really find the same ATE feeling? i might need to be pointed in the right direction or im just completely misunderstanding what your point is.

another thing that was weird for me but i forgot about until just now is stuff like it's kind of a "hey, im putting in town work" but you just kind of say "this iso is good, here's some reasons why it's bad" and don't really describe what the reasons you like for several posts after
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Post Post #1503 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:43 am

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In post 1501, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1482, fferyllt wrote: Despite my paranoia reads list (which you don't get to see atm), I like some recent Skitter posts.
I'm curious, can you share more abt this?
Not yet.
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Post Post #1504 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:46 am

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In post 1500, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 1498, Enchant wrote:
In post 1490, Ydrasse wrote: what if i danced with enchant
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I dunno. If you have confidence that you can salvage enchant or spot them as scum then yeah. Cool. I prefer a more harmonious 3 teams that were fairly sure are all town, but I think that ship sailed.

I guess STD might be town and it might be a good idea to pair there? But that’s just my preference.
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Post Post #1505 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:47 am

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In post 1504, Bell wrote:
In post 1500, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 1498, Enchant wrote:
In post 1490, Ydrasse wrote: what if i danced with enchant
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I dunno. If you have confidence that you can salvage enchant or spot them as scum then yeah. Cool. I prefer a more harmonious 3 teams that were fairly sure are all town, but I think that ship sailed.

I guess STD might be town and it might be a good idea to pair there? But that’s just my preference.
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Post Post #1506 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:47 am

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In post 1415, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 1409, Spiffeh wrote: I understand that your reads list is probably rightfully not really considering this, but how do you reconcile having Cabd and FB so low when they've both vocally and confidently claimed they will be leaving the dance at some point before endgame? This is something I'd really only expect from town as scum can easily be held accountable for statements like these. Is this something that's reflected in your read on them, or does this not really matter to you?
Not to step in for fire but.

I think you’re ignoring that slots like Cabd,FB,LLD, don’t have a high probability end game route as either alignment. If we can agree on that, an extra phase is a lot more valuable to any of those slots as scum than as town.

Just as a general hypothetical, if you were scum that knew you were exiting what would your play be?
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Post Post #1507 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:50 am

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Post Post #1508 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:51 am

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In post 1502, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1499, Save The Dragons wrote: ffery

i should clarify

i think your ATE could be you channeling emotions into false indignation at not being tr

not necessarily that you are incapable of ATEing as town

but since you brought it up, i've skimmed that iso a couple of times and can't really find the same ATE feeling? i might need to be pointed in the right direction or im just completely misunderstanding what your point is.

another thing that was weird for me but i forgot about until just now is stuff like it's kind of a "hey, im putting in town work" but you just kind of say "this iso is good, here's some reasons why it's bad" and don't really describe what the reasons you like for several posts after
Dude.

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Post Post #1509 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:56 am

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Skitter, what do you think about RCE’s alignment this game?
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Post Post #1510 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:57 am

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In post 1508, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 1502, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1499, Save The Dragons wrote: ffery

i should clarify

i think your ATE could be you channeling emotions into false indignation at not being tr

not necessarily that you are incapable of ATEing as town

but since you brought it up, i've skimmed that iso a couple of times and can't really find the same ATE feeling? i might need to be pointed in the right direction or im just completely misunderstanding what your point is.

another thing that was weird for me but i forgot about until just now is stuff like it's kind of a "hey, im putting in town work" but you just kind of say "this iso is good, here's some reasons why it's bad" and don't really describe what the reasons you like for several posts after
Dude.

Everything I put into the thread right now shows my hand to Cabd. There are some things I don't want to show before the neighborhood opens. My entire objective in this game from the minute I saw my role PM was to hope like hell a hood would help me get a read on him. The read itself doesn't matter in terms of when we flip now. But, it does affect other reads that I want to leave for posterity.
i am just not tracking
Is more transparency from me something you need for working out the last bits of the pairing phase?
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Post Post #1511 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:59 am

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Kinda meh but i feel like:
* it's a very popular sr
* if he were actually scum he'd exhibit more urgency in trying to get into a pairing (this goes for all of the unpaired gents, honestly)

Not really convinced he's scum rn
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Post Post #1512 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:59 am

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In post 1492, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1071, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 972, fferyllt wrote:
In post 969, Save The Dragons wrote: Ffffffff

If you could pick one lady for me to pair with, whom would you pick
Who do you think you'll be able to get a good read on?
In post 975, Save The Dragons wrote: But I'm curious as to what you'll say
that reminds me tho, just so it doesn't get lost can i get a name from ya, ff?
Actually I do remember these questions now, but at the time it sent me into crawling isos and I probably got distracted by something shiny or annoying.

At the time, I was thinking maybe Skitter or Gypyx because I had a lot of concerns about fireisred. Those concerns are alleviated to some degree.

Right now I don't have confidence that any of those 3 potential pairings would have been town-town.

This whole game is spinning around the axis of "I don't have a Cabd read yet", and my Gypyx read is very contingent on Cabd's alignment.
Seriously? You're extending the no read on me shtick?
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Post Post #1513 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:59 am

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no

and my post doesn't ask for it

it says a lot of other things tho that you don't really talk about

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Post Post #1514 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:00 am

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STD you proposed to Skitter despite me voicing reservations about her alignment, so it doesn't really seem like my opinions matter much.
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Post Post #1515 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:00 am

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In post 1502, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1499, Save The Dragons wrote: ffery

i should clarify

i think your ATE could be you channeling emotions into false indignation at not being tr

not necessarily that you are incapable of ATEing as town

but since you brought it up, i've skimmed that iso a couple of times and can't really find the same ATE feeling? i might need to be pointed in the right direction or im just completely misunderstanding what your point is.

another thing that was weird for me but i forgot about until just now is stuff like it's kind of a "hey, im putting in town work" but you just kind of say "this iso is good, here's some reasons why it's bad" and don't really describe what the reasons you like for several posts after
Dude.

Everything I put into the thread right now shows my hand to Cabd. There are some things I don't want to show before the neighborhood opens. My entire objective in this game from the minute I saw my role PM was to hope like hell a hood would help me get a read on him. The read itself doesn't matter in terms of when we flip now. But, it does affect other reads that I want to leave for posterity.
Okay maybe they have a point you're being super lean-into-this-ish. This can't be good for your mental.
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Post Post #1516 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:01 am

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In post 1512, Cabd wrote:
In post 1492, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1071, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 972, fferyllt wrote:
In post 969, Save The Dragons wrote: Ffffffff

If you could pick one lady for me to pair with, whom would you pick
Who do you think you'll be able to get a good read on?
In post 975, Save The Dragons wrote: But I'm curious as to what you'll say
that reminds me tho, just so it doesn't get lost can i get a name from ya, ff?
Actually I do remember these questions now, but at the time it sent me into crawling isos and I probably got distracted by something shiny or annoying.

At the time, I was thinking maybe Skitter or Gypyx because I had a lot of concerns about fireisred. Those concerns are alleviated to some degree.

Right now I don't have confidence that any of those 3 potential pairings would have been town-town.

This whole game is spinning around the axis of "I don't have a Cabd read yet", and my Gypyx read is very contingent on Cabd's alignment.
Seriously? You're extending the no read on me shtick?
It's not shtick. And in this instance shtick from me would have a short shelf life anyway.

deal with it.
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Post Post #1517 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:01 am

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nothing ffery has said today has made me want to not yeet her the second i can :/
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Post Post #1518 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:02 am

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In post 1418, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1411, Spiffeh wrote: Kinda bummed that Cabd keeps touting this hero-solve before intermission but has yet to really weigh in on who should be left behind this phase when I'd think that would something he'd want some input in and would lay a good foundation for said hero-solve?

Unless I missed a post from him or something
Do u think cabd should be townreading you and gypyx so strongly?
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However, I can see town!Cabd strongly townreading both myself and Gypyx INITIALLY based on what we have presented to the thread so far. Gypyx specifically is like night and day from her scum game in Tenet, where scum buddies Cabd and LLD and sometimes the rest of us had to coach her through many of her posts to avoid getting her eliminated and clearing half of the game (lol Tenet game mechanics).

But that was over two years ago and I think Cabd should be able to recognize that people can improve meta changes.
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Post Post #1519 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:02 am

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In post 1511, skitter30 wrote: Kinda meh but i feel like:
* it's a very popular sr
* if he were actually scum he'd exhibit more urgency in trying to get into a pairing (this goes for all of the unpaired gents, honestly)

Not really convinced he's scum rn
I dub this a hipster read.
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Post Post #1520 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:04 am

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In post 1517, Save The Dragons wrote: nothing ffery has said today has made me want to not yeet her the second i can :/
As long as I have a chance to post my fully finalized thoughts, I'll probably beat you to it.
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Post Post #1521 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:05 am

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In post 1514, fferyllt wrote: STD you proposed to Skitter despite me voicing reservations about her alignment, so it doesn't really seem like my opinions matter much.
actually, i'll call

here's your chance to make me look like a real dummy

show me where you voiced these reservations
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Post Post #1522 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:05 am

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In post 1440, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 1409, Spiffeh wrote: I understand that your reads list is probably rightfully not really considering this, but how do you reconcile having Cabd and FB so low when they've both vocally and confidently claimed they will be leaving the dance at some point before endgame? This is something I'd really only expect from town as scum can easily be held accountable for statements like these. Is this something that's reflected in your read on them, or does this not really matter to you?
in my experience, scum will claim this all the time in dance games because they know that people expect only town will do this. i think generally in dances there ends up being too many people who say this sort of thing (some of them being town) for it to be reasonably held accountable. especially when there's what you might call "power pairings", it's almost a given that people will make that sort of threat, town or scum. it doesn't really affect my read on them
This is valid and I should probably treat it as NAI tbh
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Post Post #1523 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:07 am

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In post 1518, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1418, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1411, Spiffeh wrote: Kinda bummed that Cabd keeps touting this hero-solve before intermission but has yet to really weigh in on who should be left behind this phase when I'd think that would something he'd want some input in and would lay a good foundation for said hero-solve?

Unless I missed a post from him or something
Do u think cabd should be townreading you and gypyx so strongly?
Nope, not to the level of calling us both locktown and calling for us to last until endgame so early.

However, I can see town!Cabd strongly townreading both myself and Gypyx INITIALLY based on what we have presented to the thread so far. Gypyx specifically is like night and day from her scum game in Tenet, where scum buddies Cabd and LLD and sometimes the rest of us had to coach her through many of her posts to avoid getting her eliminated and clearing half of the game (lol Tenet game mechanics).

But that was over two years ago and I think Cabd should be able to recognize that people can improve meta changes.
Ok so:
* given that cabd is townreading her so strongly, what does that say to you abt his alignment
* why are *you* townreading her ao strongly
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Post Post #1524 (ISO) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:08 am

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In post 1519, Bell wrote:
In post 1511, skitter30 wrote: Kinda meh but i feel like:
* it's a very popular sr
* if he were actually scum he'd exhibit more urgency in trying to get into a pairing (this goes for all of the unpaired gents, honestly)

Not really convinced he's scum rn
I dub this a hipster read.
This is one of the reasons why i think scum is already paired, basically
Nobody feels worried abt not getting in
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