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[Gypyx]

2.5

Luca Blight (3) :

oatsmaster / Vivax / DarthPunk

[Exe-3]

DarthPunk (2) :

Grackaroni / Luca Blight

Gob (2) :

Naerys / outoforder

Oatsmaster (2) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

Hu Tao

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

i'm not in a good headspace so flavor is canceled for the remainder of the game

[Dannflor]

Town: OOO, Hu Tao, Ninja

i think this is a pretty solid top town tier and as such I want to say vivax is also town

for other reasons too but i think this is a cute reason

[Dannflor]

also getting to the point where it just feels like gob is mimicking a caricature of himself

[Oatsmaster]

Alright let’s gooo

Is this a no for you?

I checked the possible roles and I’m 95% sure that cop checks can’t be altered

And, I have to say, this post just reads like someone who is trying not to incriminate themselves. Like, I don't know why it's more natural for any towny to say this than just "no." I really feel like Oats was preparing to call Hu Tao scum if they had anything but a straight up cop guilty, and I feel like this phrasing contains some fear from Oats that Hu Tao might have some result that isn't a cop check.

Like, what is the point of calling out cop checks specifically here?

It also gives Oats an out of being able to be like "Oh, yeah there's something that would explain a Watcher result or a Tracker result, I thought we were talking about COP CHECKS"

Guilty = cop

Then there's this reassertion that Hu Tao could have only been claiming a cop guilty, which honestly just makes very little sense.

On this website, there are basically 0 normal roles that can affect a cop guilty. It sounds like TL Mafia Games are even lower powered. So in that case, why on earth would Hu Tao ask if anyone had anything to explain first if they were waiting on a cop guilty?

It really just feels like Oats was worried that Hu Tao had something incriminating that wasn't a straight up Cop, and Oats wanted to entrap Hu Tao into the narrative of having a cop guilty, so he could win the potential 1v1 if needed.

*****

anyway what I'm trying to say here is I think this is the case of someone trying not to incriminate themselves and as such their posting comes off as very awkward for it

and i think that's just more likely to come from scum

VOTE: oatsmaster

Yes congratulations, the bolded is why I didn’t type no because my second answer explains why which you also explained. I’m not really sure how I entrap hu Tao into something that isn’t true if she’s town, explain that to me?
I’m not sure how you came to the exact same conclusions as me and that makes me mafia because “awkward”?

[Oatsmaster]

You also convieniently leave out that I did reply “no” to you when you asked before Hu Tao said it was fake.
Not really sure how I’m trying “not to incriminate myself”

[DarthPunk]

Dann do you think Luca is town/mafia after all that?

I’d just like to hear if your position has changed or not pretty much.

[Dannflor]

there are other results, such as a tracked action to the night kill target that could also be construed as a guilty

[Dannflor]

gun to head i think luca is town

[DarthPunk]

so here's the thing that bugging me about the whole teamliquid crew, but specifically keeps drawing me back to oatsmaster as scum:

the whole group seem to be pretty highly focused on being correct and consistent, and that being incorrect and/or having inconsistencies in your posts is a sign of scum. I'm not going to argue for or against that, just trying to establish a pattern I'm seeing as it informs my read of oatsmaster right now.

Okay, so, given that the basis for most of their scum cases are centered around the idea of "X contradicted himself" or "Y said this and then later said that instead" (I'm simplifying here I know but bear with me please), it would seem to me that any scum players in the TL group might try extra hard not to fall into the trap of making one of these mistakes and getting cased for it. Yeah?

"But, Dann!" I hear you saying "Don't town players try to stay consistent and appear towny too?" Well, yes. That's probably true. BUT, I think mafia who think like this are more likely to post in an inorganic matter in order to avoid entrapping themselves. They are going to be *more* conscious of making sure they don't show any inconsistencies and as such might post in an... awkward way to avoid it.

Alright let’s gooo

Is this a no for you?

I checked the possible roles and I’m 95% sure that cop checks can’t be altered

And, I have to say, this post just reads like someone who is trying not to incriminate themselves. Like, I don't know why it's more natural for any towny to say this than just "no." I really feel like Oats was preparing to call Hu Tao scum if they had anything but a straight up cop guilty, and I feel like this phrasing contains some fear from Oats that Hu Tao might have some result that isn't a cop check.

Like, what is the point of calling out cop checks specifically here?

It also gives Oats an out of being able to be like "Oh, yeah there's something that would explain a Watcher result or a Tracker result, I thought we were talking about COP CHECKS"

Guilty = cop

Then there's this reassertion that Hu Tao could have only been claiming a cop guilty, which honestly just makes very little sense. On this website, there are basically 0 normal roles that can affect a cop guilty. It sounds like TL Mafia Games are even lower powered. So in that case, why on earth would Hu Tao ask if anyone had anything to explain first if they were waiting on a cop guilty?

It really just feels like Oats was worried that Hu Tao had something incriminating that wasn't a straight up Cop, and Oats wanted to entrap Hu Tao into the narrative of having a cop guilty, so he could win the potential 1v1 if needed.

*****

anyway what I'm trying to say here is I think this is the case of someone trying not to incriminate themselves and as such their posting comes off as very awkward for it

and i think that's just more likely to come from scum

VOTE: oatsmaster

I like the analysis of the tl group play style. I think that is right and I’m glad you are trying to adjust to us and be accurate.

I just don’t really see what about that case makes oats mafia.

[Dannflor]

You also convieniently leave out that I did reply “no” to you when you asked before Hu Tao said it was fake.
Not really sure how I’m trying “not to incriminate myself”

you still had to be pressed to give a straight forward answer, like 3 different times

i feel that's more likely to come from scum faced with the uncertainty of hu tao's claim

[DarthPunk]

gun to head i think luca is town

Do you think the same things that myself and ooo have noticed are untrue? not alignment indicative?

[DarthPunk]

Town: OOO, Hu Tao, Ninja

i think this is a pretty solid top town tier and as such I want to say vivax is also town

for other reasons too but i think this is a cute reason

Can you expand on the other reasons cause i am having trouble reading his slot with his wild scum teams.

[Dannflor]

gun to head i think luca is town

partially because i think oats is scum and i don't think this is scum theatre at this point

partially because luca said he was disappointed in me for joining his wagon and it just didn't feel like scum AtE to me

[DarthPunk]

also getting to the point where it just feels like gob is mimicking a caricature of himself

So mafia?

[Dannflor]

Town: OOO, Hu Tao, Ninja

i think this is a pretty solid top town tier and as such I want to say vivax is also town

for other reasons too but i think this is a cute reason

Can you expand on the other reasons cause i am having trouble reading his slot with his wild scum teams.

Part of it *is* his wild scum teams? I feel like Vivax is operating in his own world and isn't really tuned in to what everyone thinks the most likely teams are. I think he would have to be as scum. I think he'd more conscious about making sure his scum teams made sense.

D1, I don't really understand why he'd start out white knighting Roden and then start to reevaluate him towards end of day (before he claimed). I think it would've been way more straightforward to just stick with the white knighting since it's not like Vivax's support was needed for Roden to get pushed to claim

[Oatsmaster]

there are other results, such as a tracked action to the night kill target that could also be construed as a guilty

Nobody would use that phrasing

[Dannflor]

also getting to the point where it just feels like gob is mimicking a caricature of himself

So mafia?

i think it's likely

[Oatsmaster]

You also convieniently leave out that I did reply “no” to you when you asked before Hu Tao said it was fake.
Not really sure how I’m trying “not to incriminate myself”

you still had to be pressed to give a straight forward answer, like 3 different times

i feel that's more likely to come from scum faced with the uncertainty of hu tao's claim

Really? Find them all.

[Dannflor]

there are other results, such as a tracked action to the night kill target that could also be construed as a guilty

Nobody would use that phrasing

well i would, and i have seen lots of people use that phrasing before

[Oatsmaster]

gun to head i think luca is town

This doesn’t sound very confident

[Oatsmaster]

there are other results, such as a tracked action to the night kill target that could also be construed as a guilty

Nobody would use that phrasing

well i would, and i have seen lots of people use that phrasing before

You wouldn’t use the wording “construed” in your original post if you did…

[Dannflor]

yes you caught me im lying

[Oatsmaster]

Okay thanks for playing

[Oatsmaster]

I do find it extremely funny that ninja cannot accept that she’s read the situation incorrectly and that for me to be town, I would have to backtrack on what I said because reasons??

[Dannflor]

gun to head i think luca is town

Do you think the same things that myself and ooo have noticed are untrue? not alignment indicative?

the whole luca contradicted himself by saying ninja's posts reflects his thoughts on the game almost entirely thing does nothing for me

the most compelling points to me were about luca seeming passive and being content with the gamestate and overly reasonably

i'm not really seeing the latter anymore

as i said the former does nothing for me