Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

[tired person]

heya!

VOTE: dunnstral

[tired person]

actually

VOTE: penguinpower

bye

[tired person]

Sakura town?

Vote PP

[tired person]

Goddess Trial

Day 2 - Goddess Trial
Vote Count 2.00 -

Klick - [0][E-8]
Luka - [0][E-8]

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 14) : jjh927, Klick, PookytheMagicalBear, Luka, Penguinpower, Save The Dragons, Katsuki, Whemestar,Sakura Hana, Alisae, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez, tired person, T3

With 14 Alive, It Takes 8 to Eliminate.
Deadline is (expired on 2024-01-22 11:44:00)

Mod Note: No mod notes

so click and luka are both town?

[tired person]

this makes it harder to just votepark on penguin/pooky i guess

[tired person]

you'd vote park penguin but not gamma?

i wrote that based on yesterday without seeing the guilty

obviously can't votepark gamma either, duh

[tired person]

it's fine pooky, gamma outed you as her partner on her third post:

pooky you are evil
VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

so no need to cry

[tired person]

Seems we are going to have to wait THREE DAY PHASES before dayplay has any stakes and it might genuinely just not have any stakes anyway due to night actions

Ya I have no reason to care about anything for 3 actually day phases.
actually wild.

yup
this is brutal

well i get to lurk for 3 more day phases. sounds like fun tbh.

[tired person]

we should just let klick decide who we kill today.

thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[tired person]

VOTE: pooky

the klick has spoken

[tired person]

VOTE: DJ Party boat

Alisae was killed last night. Alisae was Cid a member of

Shadow Garden.

Spoiler: ROLE PM

Flavor Name:

Cid Kagenou

Alignment:

Shadow Garden

You are the ultimate mob character

Abilities:

Wisdom of the Shadows:

During the first game day you can select up to 7 players to receive your blessing. Any remaining powers you don't bestow can be done so at any point as long as you are able. This will be privately sent to the game mod and those players will receive PRs. You are not informed what roles they have been given. The cult can receive powers so choose wisely. To use this send mod a PM with list of players to give powers. Powers will be distributed at the conclusion of the phase the pm was sent.

Mob fu

: As long as you remain in disguise all actions targeting you, excluding cults factional night kill, will fail.

Fake Death

If you are voted out while still in civilian persona you will be temporarily removed from the game and can return to the game as Shadow at any point at your discretion. If you are night killed while in civilian mode you will be removed the game and will not return until the game is over.

Shadow Form

This is your true self you will only display once you have shredded your civilian persona.

Abilities as Shadow:

Ultimate Warrior:

You cannot be night killed.

Wisdom Of Shadows:

You can bestow powers to players that you haven't already done so under your civilian persona.

Win Condition:

You win when the Cult of Diablos has been eliminated.

if shadow cid can't be killed, isn't it throwing not to claim cid day 1 and convert to shadow cid?

[tired person]

tbf I don't disagree with the other two

i do. wheme is very towny, and i don't see how anyone could have a read on me. and i checked before i decided to replace in, cephrir was towny.

[tired person]

tbf I don't disagree with the other two

i do. wheme is very towny, and i don't see how anyone could have a read on me. and i checked before i decided to replace in, cephrir was towny.

Ok so who are your suspects? I thought Klicks PoE pool was solid

keeping in mind i haven't really bothered to sort anyone since day 1 because of the guilties and klick v luka thing, the pool of people i don't strongly tr is probably jjh/t3/penguin/you.

i think out of this pool, you are the towniest and penguin is the scummiest. i don't really have reads on t3 and jjh but one is probably scum because of process of elimination.

[tired person]

tbf I don't disagree with the other two

i do. wheme is very towny, and i don't see how anyone could have a read on me. and i checked before i decided to replace in, cephrir was towny.

Ok so who are your suspects? I thought Klicks PoE pool was solid

keeping in mind i haven't really bothered to sort anyone since day 1 because of the guilties and klick v luka thing, the pool of people i don't strongly tr is probably jjh/t3/penguin/you.

i think out of this pool, you are the towniest and penguin is the scummiest. i don't really have reads on t3 and jjh but one is probably scum because of process of elimination.

Can you elaborate on Penguin?

as sircakez said, it's pretty self explanatory. i don't think he did a single towny thing this game. i don't think he's even pretending to have real reads. i think both of his votes on dunnstral day 1 look scum motivated with pooky and dunnstral flipping scum and town. he and pooky were trying to protect each other all of day 1.

[tired person]

It's DJ P-P-Party Boat, taking a genre request for later this evening! Your options are:

-Indie/neat songs I found on youtube
-Industrial/Angy Rock
-Sad electronic vibes
-Punk rock
-Female singers

There may be some overlap between categories. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

can u do neat songs you found on youtube by female singers? thanks

[tired person]

thank u for all the music. it's lovely.

[tired person]

VOTE: penguin

finally can continue vote-parking penguin

bye

[tired person]

whemestar should never claim here.

i'm fine with voting either t3 or penguin. no limming when we have a confirmed town is a bad idea since all it does is get rid of the confirmed town. in fact our highest ev play here is to just sheep sakura on whomever she thinks is scum, since that guarantees we're not sheeping scum.

[tired person]

i doubt scum would willingly increase town ev by killing anybody except you.

(lim today > we hit scum 2/7 times. no lim and scum kills you > we hit scum 2/7 times tomorrow. no lim and scum kills another town > we hit scum 2/6 times tomorrow).

who do you want to kill?

[tired person]

VOTE: t3

[tired person]

I know I have a few more T3 posts to look at and that's what tipped me off initially but are the T3 voters looking at the posts in thread and not seeing a very self-consistent narrative that is backed by a reasonable thought process

i am literally sheeping two confirmed towns: klick and sakura.
i also don't really have a read on t3 while i do have a townread on several people.

can u towncase t3? other than by saying he is clearly town.

[tired person]

i don't normally defend myself, but since my lack of defense recently resulted in my miselimination and lost town a virtually solved game, i guess i'm going to have to make this post.

Very much feels like they're trying to appear to be doing more than they are doing

this case on me is an extreme stretch. i've made pretty clear that i have a possible elimination pool of jjh, t3, penguinpower, sircakez. i removed sircakez from my elimination pool because of klick's last will. nothing else that happened has made me feel any different about that elimination pool, so i am "not doing anything". but saying i'm trying to look like i'm doing something is incorrect. if anything, i should be findable as town for not making any effort to look towny.

[tired person]

TP also said that she's voting me exclusively because she wants to sheep 2 conftown (you and Klick)

I have explained that Klick townread me yesterday and I've explained that Sakura's scumread is rooted in vibes but TP is still voting me with no real explanation

klick's last will says you are scum. i guess it could be outdated though. i still think sheeping sakura is optimal, and see no reason to townread you.

[tired person]

alright time to bring out teh big gunz :)

i don't think it's penguinpower anymore. i felt his reaction to being voted was genuine. but more importantly i just think it doesn't make a lot of sense for the last 2 scum to just crossvote without even making a whole show out of if in such a disadvantaged position. because doing so just secures a scum elimination without making them look more towny. it could still be penguin and that he and t3 just gave up, but i think he's the least likely out of my elimination pool to be mafia.

jjh was my initial planned vote for today. i didn't like his defense of t3 at all, and especially didn't like his effort to counterwagon t3 by casing me. his case is inattentive and weak at best, and maliciously misrepresentative at worst. also his reads this game were trash tier (100% of his votes are either on my slot or on flipped town), which could be a scum tell.

however i felt i had left out sircakes and during the night i tried to figure out if there were any good reasons to townread him, and i am not really sure there are. i initially thought that his push on pooky day 1 was towny, but in retrospect it could have been tmi. additionally i agree that his push on alisae and reactions to the votes on him are not towny, as explained in posts 1408, 1423 by alisae and posts 1379, 1441 by kyouko. additionally he also had pretty trash votes this game outside of pooky, was voting t3's counterwagon, and had an awkward reaction to town's trajectory on whemestar last day phase (2727).

additionally, post 2075 by t3 feels like something scum would say about their partner and a town, so this is additional evidence for both sircakes and jjh.

so i am pretty sure it's sircakes, and if it's not sircakes it's jjh.

VOTE: sircakes

[tired person]

i do think jjh's entrance to this day phase is really scummy tho

[tired person]

VOTE: jjh

[tired person]

wait i misread wheme's softclaim. jjh entrance still scummy but not enough to prioritize over sircakes.

VOTE: sircakes

[tired person]

wait i misread wheme's softclaim.

which one?

i was referring to this:

How about I say chungus targeting t3 n1 makes sense to me

i misremembered it as wheme saying he made t3 target jjh which would make jjh's assertion that t3 tried to pocket him really scummy.

[tired person]

jjh how is reading the neighborhood for clues going

[tired person]

does any1 have any reason why sircakes isn't the last scum?

jjh in particular, whats ur read on him?

[tired person]

what did u find towny about sircakes?

[tired person]

sakura, i agree that gut pings say pp is town but his play is scummy. that's why he's still in my pool. but do you have any reason to town read sircakes? because i don't, and that's what's making me think it's him. he's less scummy than pp and jjh, but he's also not towny at all, and i think that's what makes him scum.

but anyway i agree we're in autowin probably.

[tired person]

sakura, i agree that gut pings say pp is town but his play is scummy. that's why he's still in my pool. but do you have any reason to town read sircakes? because i don't, and that's what's making me think it's him. he's less scummy than pp and jjh, but he's also not towny at all, and i think that's what makes him scum.

but anyway i agree we're in autowin probably.

I don't understand this post, you're saying JJH and PP are scummier than me but I'm less towny then JJH and PP? How does that compute

what i meant is that penguin has about 500 scum points for playstyle and maybe 400 town points for yesterday.
jjh has about 450 scum points for how he played yesterday, for his bad reads, and for his entrance today, but has maybe 150-200 town points for various reasons.
you have about 350 scum points for also having bad reads and especially the push on alisae, for having an out-of-step reaction to how people were considering if wheme needed to claim or not, and for basically not doing anything while also voting t3's counterwagon.
you also have 50 town points for your push on pooky.

however on rethinking this i am not so sure that jjh has more town points than you so i'll move my vote if he doesn't do anything convincing soon.

[tired person]

jjh, as someone who didn't even vote you, could you please stop blaming everyone for the fact that you were a consensus scumread? this is not a sportsmanlike behavior at all.

if you want to help town win, then instead of being toxic, why don't you post your thoughts as to what makes bingle likelier scum than sircakes?

[tired person]

so there are two options:

we can no-lim, and if we choose to do that then we should not post anything this day phase aside from votes to no-lim and definitely not discuss reads as this will give scum an advantage in approaching the final 3. this will give ev of 1/3.

or, you guys can decide to sheep std and sakura and treat me as confirmed town which will basically result in an ev of 1/3 anyway. i don't really care which option you choose but i do think i'm most likely to die if we choose first option. or i guess we can also sheep klick and have bingle as a confirmed town.

i'm going let you answer this and then probably vote no lim.

[tired person]

it would be nice if you guys vote each other because i don't like having to explain why i am town, and also i am obviously town for a bunch of reasons.

i still think it's probably sircakes but the fact that klick was correct on t3 and katsuki makes me think he could be right on sircakes and penguin as well. and also i expected sircakes to kill me, so being alive makes me think i might be wrong.

[tired person]

yeah - no

i'm probably going to vote you

i don't think you have even a single valid reason to think i am scum. if you are scumreading my low-content playstyle, not only is that hypocritical of you but i also have completed town games where i play that way so that's invalid. i also don't have any partnered interactions with scum.

can u even name a reason to vote me?

[tired person]

TP also said that she's voting me exclusively because she wants to sheep 2 conftown (you and Klick)

I have explained that Klick townread me yesterday and I've explained that Sakura's scumread is rooted in vibes but TP is still voting me with no real explanation

i think this post (and other posts t3 made toward the end of the day) also clears me from being t3's partner. it's pretty obvious he was trying to undermine the townread on me in order to have me as a possible miselimination, probably because he saw that jjh (who was town) was thinking about eliminating me and he wanted to save himself by eliminating me instead.

and why would t3 even make all these posts if he was my partner:

That is well within Gamma's scumrange and probably within Ceph's too

Ceph's emotion felt genuine but on balance it's only a little +town

Across Ceph's posting, he only ever voted, Pooky, Gamma and T3.

I don't think Ceph ever voted me - didn't he also vote BCG at one point??

I meant jjh, woops

Usually scum exclusively or almost exclusively voting all their partners is more indicative of TMI than anything else

Very much feels like they're trying to appear to be doing more than they are doing

but yeah if I'm going to respond to that request to towncase T3 then I will do it in real time, because I think I've set out quite succinctly what makes T3 town and it's there if you actually look for it

TP has recently been ellitelling too - she asked jjh to towncase me, jjh said something to the effect of "I'll point the specific posts out to you at some point," at which point TP visited the site and posted elsewhere but didn't do anything here despite jjh's response.

[tired person]

first, i disagree that there's more objective evidence for both of you.

second, i will have more time to read in depth and make up my mind on the weekend, i just want to make sure i am not hammered before then.

[tired person]

saying that penguin has clearing interactions with anyone, or that his hammer is clearing, is a huuuuuuge stretch. if you actually take a look at the vc, the possibile eliminations on day 5 at the time penguin hammered were either him or t3. while i do think it's probably bad play that they crossvoted, it's not even close to clearing. the other option a scum penguin had was to let jjh or you hammer at deadline and be guaranteed to lose the next day.

[tired person]

and again, you don't have reasons for me to be scum other than that you don't like the fact i'm playing to my win condition as town by attempting to increase the ev from 1/3 to 1/2 by clearing myself. which happened specifically after sakura cleared me and then pointed out how t3 tried to unclear me. it's not that i just randomly came up with the idea.

if i were scum you could actually find valid reasons to see me as scum instead of these silly "oh no you are trying to clear yourself" and "everyone else is cleared more than you are" (which isn't even true, objectively).

[tired person]

this day phase i was both tempted to just lolvote penguin at one point because i liked sircakes entrance and because i was left alive, and later tempted to lolvote sircakes because he's just straight up ignoring the clearing evidence of me being town which penguin pointed out:

what does give me pause is your play around t3's wagon because you easily could have gotten me pushed out that day since sakura was equally willing to vote either me or t3 and only voted t3 because he was the larger wagon.

and i also thought that penguin going after me at day start didn't make sense from scum since why would sircakes go after me (when he voted penguin over t3 earlier meaning he was scumreading penguin), but luckily i reread sircakes iso and i guess he does express later that he suspects me more than penguin.

so i'm back to leaning penguin but i have a few questions to sircakes:
1. what do you think of the above quote? if penguin is town why didn't i push him over t3, considering i was basically the one who made sakura go for t3?
2. what objective evidence do you see that clears you? and what evidence clears penguin other than voting t3 when it was him or t3 on the chopping block?

[tired person]

that's not clearing evidence and i'm not going to comment further on that rn

i'm about to just vote you for saying how "clear" you are multiple times and then disappearing and not really caring about the outcome after that.

that post was aimed at sircakes not u

so please feel free to ignore it k thanks

nothing to say on my actual response to why i thought you could be scum?

you want me to respond to u talking about ceohrir's play? i am not cephrir so how can i defend him exactly.

[tired person]

i will say that obviously my slot is town so i know ur wrong about it being theater. and i do think you should be giving more weight to std's read on cephrir considering how much weight was given to klick's read on kawaii (and std is notorious for reading cephrir well). this is what i can say. i cannot say "well actual u r wrong on why cephrir didn't push pooky to end" because i don't know why cephrir didn't push pooky to the end. but i can say you shouldn't clear sircakes either because he also ended up voting you over pooky on day 1 and also you over t3 on day 5 and if you are town then it's crazy to me that you think i'm scum for "distancing" but sircakes isn't.

[tired person]

and it's just my playstyle to say that i am cleared, you are scumreading me for playstyle and it's annoying. u urself said it's nai but now you want to vote me for it.

[tired person]

let me explain my whole thought process yeah


i thought penguin was unlikely to be scum at first because of his cross vote with t3 on day 5. then i didn't die so i decided maybe it wasn't sircakes. then up until post 2964 it looked like sircakes was trying to solve and penguin was trying to go for the easy mislim so i thought it was penguin. then penguing posted 2974 and i thought maybe he wasn't going for the easy mislim and i re-evaluated, and at that point i forgot that sircakes was suspecting me day 6 and townreading penguin, so i thought it'd be easier for a scum penguin to vote sircakes (who i was already scumreading and who i thought was scumreading him) rather than me, so therefore suspecting me was a town move on penguin's part and sircakes later also expressing suspicion of me was scum taking the easy route. but then i remembered that sircakes did express suspicion of me day 6 and did tr penguin day 6 so i'm back to thinking penguin could be scum just going for the easy mislim on me.

but i'm still wary of sircakes because i don't really understand why anybody is clearing him and especially find his comment that he and penguin are more objectively cleared than myself extremely weird, so that's why i asked him what he means by that.

[tired person]

i will say that obviously my slot is town so i know ur wrong about it being theater.5 and if you are town then it's crazy to me that you think i'm scum for "distancing" but sircakes isn't.

let me explain my whole thought process yeah

-snip-

but then i remembered that sircakes did express suspicion of me day 6 and did tr penguin day 6 so i'm back to thinking penguin could be scum just going for the easy mislim on me.

how do you go from your slot being obviously town to being an easy mislim in two posts?

u r reading the whole thing in bad faith. in post 2986 what i meant is not that i look towny, but that obviously from my perspective my slot is town and not scum.

and u literally changed the meaning of that post by removing words from it, wtf. how do u expect me to take this seriously.

[tired person]

you are scumreading me for playstyle and it's annoying.

again...no i'm not.

u can say that but it doesn't change the fact that u r. i asked several times and u can't name any reason to scumread me except that cephrir's play could've been scum theater, which again applies to sircakes as well, and then you decide u wanna vote me because i am saying i am clearly town and it's annoying u, which is clearly a playstyle point.

but ok, go read sircakes iso.

let me explain my whole thought process yeah


i thought penguin was unlikely to be scum at first because of his cross vote with t3 on day 5. then i didn't die so i decided maybe it wasn't sircakes. then up until post 2964 it looked like sircakes was trying to solve and penguin was trying to go for the easy mislim so i thought it was penguin. then penguing posted 2974 and i thought maybe he wasn't going for the easy mislim and i re-evaluated, and at that point i forgot that sircakes was suspecting me day 6 and townreading penguin, so i thought it'd be easier for a scum penguin to vote sircakes (who i was already scumreading and who i thought was scumreading him) rather than me, so therefore suspecting me was a town move on penguin's part and sircakes later also expressing suspicion of me was scum taking the easy route. but then i remembered that sircakes did express suspicion of me day 6 and did tr penguin day 6 so i'm back to thinking penguin could be scum just going for the easy mislim on me.

but i'm still wary of sircakes because i don't really understand why anybody is clearing him and especially find his comment that he and penguin are more objectively cleared than myself extremely weird, so that's why i asked him what he means by that.

i am finding it really weird today how you are consistently both appealing to me that you are town and still also repeating suspicions that i am scum. it feels to me like you are trying to keep your options open, and the repeated assertions that you are obviously town are not helping.

like i'll be straight up right now, i'm feeling somewhere in the 75-80% chance that you are the scum here because penguin is playing how i'd expect town pengy to be dealing with this while your motivations look very scummy to me

i am not appealing to u, i am trying to make sense of your reads because they are bad reads and i'm tempted to call u scum for these reads, but if u are town then i want to understand how come u have them.

[tired person]

VOTE: sircakes

u can still unvote.

[tired person]

i thought cakes saying that dead town townreading him is "clearing", and that he was 80% sure i was mafia but didn't vote me, felt mafia-like.

[tired person]

thanks for unvoting.

[tired person]

i mean his entire approach this day phase felt like he was trying to get you to vote me.

[tired person]

let's win and then u don't have to blame klick and bingle

[tired person]

i mean his entire approach this day phase felt like he was trying to get you to vote me, rather than trying to figure out which one of us it was.

ebwop

[tired person]

penguin can u give me like an hour to build a big case on sircakes?

[tired person]

penguin can u give me like an hour to build a big case on sircakes?

And now he suddenly has this big case he's going to build to try to convince you, because he knows he's scum and knows how scummy he looks right now

how is that even a real thought somebody has

(hint: it's not)

[tired person]

part 1 of the sircakes scumcase:

sakura town for refusing my advances

alisae town for wanting to yeet kawaii

im so good at this game sometimes

yeah he is scum for sure

Do you have a reason for suspecting Pooky?

He is scum

this is just pure tmi (and also theatering).

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

I have to vote this bullshit
VOTE: alisae

as alisae noted below, this feels like a fake read. i also think someone said this post aligns with sircakes' scum meta, and i verified it and it's correct (if u want u can look at hollow knight mafia i think it was, he makes similarly fake votes there).

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

I have to vote this bullshit
VOTE: alisae

this is a wolfclaim from cakez btw.
I know him enough to know this

then there's this:

Wheme should definitely claim

I’m not claiming until someone has a good reason for me to

We will eliminate you if you don't claim
How's that reason

VOTE: whemestar
I said we would yeet wheme if there wasn't a claim so this is now happening

why did we go from everyone wanting a Wheme claim to suddenly everybody saying it's a bad idea and he shouldn't claim

this reads like scum who is frustrated about not being able to correctly align with the town's trajectory and about losing his prized mislim.


then when it's penguin or t3, he votes penguin (town) over t3 (scum):

T3 or Penguin seems to be the way to go today, I personally think Penguin has been incredibly scummy all game vs T3 having moments of towniness and scumminess but it seems like a lot of people want T3 and I can see the arguments

I have to say I am still harboring suspicions of Wheme but whatever that claim will have to come out eventually and we can analyze it then

VOTE: penguin for now

(it's also interesting to note that here he acknowledges it's penguin or t3 but later, in an attempt to make me look bad for thinking it might be penguin, claims that it wasn't clear cut that the elimination is penguin or t3)



then, next day there's these two posts:

I hate this part of the game I don't trust anybody except Sakura

i don't feel this is a natural progression at all after the previous day phase bingle was very obviously consensus town, and after sakura explained why i was town. it feels like sircakes wanted to keep as many possibilities open for vote and to avoid committing to anything before he knew who is being scunread so that he doesn't make a blunder.

then there's this post:

I think I'm starting today with tired person and JJH main suspects
I agree with TP's assertion that Penguin and T3's interactions don't make sense as S/S

It's probably just JJH
VOTE: jjh

note that between these two posts i basically said the last scum was between him and jjh and i was at that point the loudest voice in the thread. so suddenly after i voice this he goes from not trusting anyone to thinking it's just jjh. how convenient.

part 2 will come soon.

[tired person]

part 2 (woth less quotes):

a lot of sircakes' posts feel like they are pointless and are made just to look like he has thoughts or to look towny, but on close scrutiny u can see there's no actual point in making them.

examples:

Pookys probably writing his fake role rn in the scum pt bc he was overconfident and didn't think he'd get caught so early LOL

you'd vote park penguin but not gamma?

VOTE: gamma cuz ya nobody should have to replace into a confscum slot

fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

I hate LiLo so much

(yeah these might be bad examples but i'm too lazy to explain why i disliked these posts)

also, if u assume that i am town and sircakes is scum, then aside from his theater with pooky, sircakes never voted scum except when they were guiltied, while the same can't be said for me (i also voted t3, and cephrir also voted gamma before she was guiltied). and u can say that cephrir's voting was theater because he landed on voting penguin end of day 1, but i think the difference is that cephrir really did try to eliminate gamma/pooky but gave up when he didn't have support (and u can see it by looking at his iso) while sircakes just voted pooky early and then just dropped it off and went after other people (for dubious reasons, imo).

actually even if u assume that i am scum and sircakes is town then he only voted unguiltied scum early in day 1 (because if i am scum he only voted me after i became confirmed scum to him anyway).

the next point is that his scumread on me this day phase has been in bad faith. while u (penguin) maybe don't think it's totally clearing, u at least acknowledged that it doesn't make sense for me to vote t3 over u if i'm scum on day 5. sircakes is straight up ignoring this and pretending this is a non-issue and should be disregarded, and i feel he is doing that in bad faith. he's actually just scumreading me because he felt it'd be easier to get you to vote me than get me to vote you (which is true because you did vote me and i didn't vote you).

[tired person]

Very much feels like they're trying to appear to be doing more than they are doing

but yeah if I'm going to respond to that request to towncase T3 then I will do it in real time, because I think I've set out quite succinctly what makes T3 town and it's there if you actually look for it

TP has recently been ellitelling too - she asked jjh to towncase me, jjh said something to the effect of "I'll point the specific posts out to you at some point," at which point TP visited the site and posted elsewhere but didn't do anything here despite jjh's response.

why would t3 say this about his partner? of i was scum he wouldn't be working so hard to orevent sakura from townreading me, he'd want to help me endgame.
and it's not just this post, there's so many posts from t3 trying to make sakura doubt the tr on me.

Wheme and Ceph/tired person make sense as scum to me

jjh is probably town for our interactions in the hood, it didn't seem like he was trying to pocket me at all

And yeah, Wheme should claim

he doesn't even bring up sircakes - why?

I wonder if jjh is scum with Cakez

this is the kind of post that scum makes about their buddy.

[tired person]

but i think the difference is that cephrir really did try to eliminate gamma/pooky but gave up when he didn't have support (and u can see it by looking at his iso)

Spoiler: ??????

Having invaded the base that his sister was held at. The seven shadows made quick work of the dastardly cultist. Our hero however managed to...get lost on his way. Somehow he still managed to run into one of the cultist and kill him and save his sister.

Day 1 - Our Story Begins
Vote Count 1.17

Gamma Emerald [4][E-5] - Klick, Penguinpower, ssbm_Kyouko, Cephrir,
Dunnstral [3][E-6] - PookytheMagicalBear, Luka, Sakura Hana,
Alisae [3][E-6] - SirCakez, KawaiiKame,T3,
Whemestar[1][E-8] - Big Chungus Gaming,
jjh927 [1][E-8] - Alisae,
ssbm_kyouko [1][E-8] - Save The Dragons,
Save the Dragons [1][E-8] Whemestar
T3 [1][E-8] - Gamma Emerald,
Big Chungus Gaming [2][E-7]-Dunnstral,

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 1) : jjh927,

With 17 Alive, It Takes 9 to Eliminate.
Deadline is (expired on 2024-01-07 15:45:00)

Mod Note: No current prods. The mod thanks pooky for supplying images so easily.

deadline is approaching and im against a dunn kill atp, I think he has demonstrated enough plausibility of being town here and gamma is the only other viable option here and i am likely to be busy this weekend.

VOTE: gamma

willing to flashwagon onto PP, so consider my vote there in spirit.

Cakez is probably viable as an option
Late-day votes are funzo and I'd go jjh as a flash wagon (and Penguin if it existed)

I'm fairly happy with Gamma vs Dunnstral though

Feeling uneasy about gamma

VOTE: jjh

i have no response for this other than i hope u give more weight to my other points than to this. i guess i misread cephrir's iso in my skim of it. and i have no idea why he thought that, sorry.

[tired person]

I know I have a few more T3 posts to look at and that's what tipped me off initially but are the T3 voters looking at the posts in thread and not seeing a very self-consistent narrative that is backed by a reasonable thought process

i am literally sheeping two confirmed towns: klick and sakura.
i also don't really have a read on t3 while i do have a townread on several people.

can u towncase t3? other than by saying he is clearly town.

and look at this here he even fished for JJH to give him a offwagon

i don't normally defend myself, but since my lack of defense recently resulted in my miselimination and lost town a virtually solved game, i guess i'm going to have to make this post.

Very much feels like they're trying to appear to be doing more than they are doing

this case on me is an extreme stretch. i've made pretty clear that i have a possible elimination pool of jjh, t3, penguinpower, sircakez. i removed sircakez from my elimination pool because of klick's last will. nothing else that happened has made me feel any different about that elimination pool, so i am "not doing anything". but saying i'm trying to look like i'm doing something is incorrect. if anything, i should be findable as town for not making any effort to look towny.

and again he still had three town in his elimination pool here too

TP is making it out like he was one of the main drivers of getting T3 eliminated over you Penguin when he basically did the minimum of voting T3 and very little else

i had all scum in my elimination pool, lolz at u. u had 0 scum in ur elimination pool:

I think jjh has been very much talking like he's town today and yesterday and I'm inclined to trust his T3 read

I think Penguin/Wheme/tired person wins the game

tbf I don't disagree with the other two

i do. wheme is very towny, and i don't see how anyone could have a read on me. and i checked before i decided to replace in, cephrir was towny.

Ok so who are your suspects? I thought Klicks PoE pool was solid

[tired person]

ok i am done with this game

i hope penguin makes the right choice

bye

[tired person]

actually there was one point i forgot to make:

you guys asked me why i voted sircakes if i was previously leaning penguin. the reason is that between me saying i was leaning penguing and my vote, sircakes made the scummiest posts i have ever seen, which were completely in bad faith, and i felt penguin's frustration with me was geniune.

[tired person]

the pool of Penguin/Wheme/TP definitely has a scum in it lol

nope.

[tired person]

this has zero relevance to our alignments but if u vote sircakes and are correct (which u would be correct), you get to shove it in the face of all the people who put both of us in the poe and cleared cakes.

[tired person]

oh another point on it being sircakes.

kyoko posted this then got nightkilled:

Working on a {Gamma, Cakez, T3?, ???} solve rn. I was just reading Gamma's ISO as some recent posts pinged me and I realize now she's scum

confident in scum!Gamma
somewhat confident in scum!Cakez
Mostly pre-flipping T3 into this team based on scum!Gamma's interactions with/around the slot combined with the fact T3 posted that Klick meta for me unprompted. This could be town even with scum!Gamma but I feel like the way Gamma's played around this slot TMIs a buddy

i'll leave the weighing of this up to you.

[tired person]

i'm really salty at bingle

i'm less salty at penguin because obviously sircakes planned this day phase with pooky's help specifically to get penguin to vote me.

but bingle did 0 effort to evaluate sircakes at all and left me at a really bad spot where not leaving a last will would've just been better.

[tired person]

wait what

bingle didn't write that will? that is so annoying

[tired person]

well played scum

[tired person]

i think town played really well this game overall, but scum had too many dirty tricks (a free miselim on day 2 + a 2-shot vig + fakewill). if one of these tricks didn't exist then it would have ended in a 5p with sakura, bingle, and the final three and we could just kill sircakes.

[tired person]

yes, sakura had the right idea

i think maybe i should have just not made that post about clearing me and bingle on day 7 and instead just voted sircakes and said "hey remember what sakura said? cool let's sheep her" and maybe that would've worked better.

[tired person]

i don't think penguin's towniness was the problem because i did find him as town when it mattered. it would've been nice if he gave less weight to dead people's reads and listened to what i had to say, no matter how annoying i may have been (and i admit i may have been annoying. sorry about that).

also:

gg all
pooky coached me SO HARD. the credit for like 98% of what I did should go to him lol. the bingle will was a masterstroke,

we were leaning to the obvious TP kill

until Pooky suggested it.
also big ups to Party Boat for replacing into a doomed slot

i will take that as a compliment :)

[tired person]

i really hope that next time i find scum people will listen to me and eliminate them rather than me because this is the second game where i have a game-winning elimination pool but then i get eliminated instead of people following my pool.