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[Dannflor]

I mean like.. I simply cannot understand how he goes from point A (post 3289) to point B (3551), since everything Vivax does between that time fits perfectly "in his own world". The only thing where he differs from the path he is pushing, is when he votes for gob, but that should not be a scumtell for Dann, since Dann at the time (and still) thinks gob is mafia. The fact that Vivax thinks Oats is town shouldn't matter to Dann either, because it hasn't been a problem for him at the time of post 3289.

I understand some people are calling Vivax mafia, because nothing he says makes sense. But that should not be an issue for Dann, because for him it was a reason to townread Vivax. It's very likely Dann is actually mafia based on just this read that changes for no apparent reason.

I have a hard time believing someone actually believes either Luca or I can be teamed with DP based on our interactions with each other - that's all

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I mean like.. I simply cannot understand how he goes from point A (post 3289) to point B (3551), since everything Vivax does between that time fits perfectly "in his own world". The only thing where he differs from the path he is pushing, is when he votes for gob, but that should not be a scumtell for Dann, since Dann at the time (and still) thinks gob is mafia. The fact that Vivax thinks Oats is town shouldn't matter to Dann either, because it hasn't been a problem for him at the time of post 3289.

I understand some people are calling Vivax mafia, because nothing he says makes sense. But that should not be an issue for Dann, because for him it was a reason to townread Vivax. It's very likely Dann is actually mafia based on just this read that changes for no apparent reason.

I have a hard time believing someone actually believes either Luca or I can be teamed with DP based on our interactions with each other - that's all

Me neither. You did townread Vivax for that though, because you found it too silly to entertain as mafia, as per your own words.

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Like do you want me to quote posts or what? You literally said that!!

[Dannflor]

there's a certain line where it stops being genuine i think

[Dannflor]

Like do you want me to quote posts or what? You literally said that!!

I know!! I changed my mind! I don't know what else you want me to say

I don't know how to deal with me flipping my reads with you TL guys

I can point to a dozen town games where I come to exact opposite reads on a slot, sometimes in back to back posts! because i am always reconsidering my reads and trying to view things from different angles and conviction is not a strength of mine

I thought about Vivax more and specifically when he started saying I could be teamed with DP, that struck me as just a line too far. It made me think that maybe instead of him just being a townie in his own world, the teams are more made up to try to mimic that because that just seemed like a bridge too far

[Dannflor]

like, what do you think the scum motivation is for me flipping my read on Vivax?

or do you just think i forgot what it was

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I don't know how to deal with me flipping my reads with you TL guys

you explain it!
that's how you do it.

you have to realise we play 48hr day phases, every single irregularity is scrutinized. here we have like 7 days and you guys still do that shit where you post like 10000 words and not explain anything at all (mainly you and ninja, i dont hold luca to this since he sure as hell explains where he is coming from, legit or not).
if you dont have an explanation, you die.

what is your explanation, besides "i flipped my read"?
or is it only that?

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like, what do you think the scum motivation is for me flipping my read on Vivax?

or do you just think i forgot what it was

people are assuming oats is mafia, people are saying vivax makes sense as mafia with oats.

indirect way of calling oats scum, or getting it into people's heads.

not saying this is WHY, but saying there is scum motivation.

[Dannflor]

I thought about Vivax more and specifically when he started saying I could be teamed with DP, that struck me as just a line too far. It made me think that maybe instead of him just being a townie in his own world, the teams are more made up to try to mimic that because that just seemed like a bridge too far

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I thought about Vivax more and specifically when he started saying I could be teamed with DP, that struck me as just a line too far. It made me think that maybe instead of him just being a townie in his own world, the teams are more made up to try to mimic that because that just seemed like a bridge too far

he pushed this idea when you were still townreading him.

[Dannflor]

vivax / oats is a team that makes some kind of sense

vivax's arguments about the wagon compositions and wagon speeds feels super contrived

i felt the same about 2687

i also think this is true

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I thought about Vivax more and specifically when he started saying I could be teamed with DP, that struck me as just a line too far. It made me think that maybe instead of him just being a townie in his own world, the teams are more made up to try to mimic that because that just seemed like a bridge too far

he pushed this idea when you were still townreading him.

You said in your post 3289, that you townread Vivax for "being in his own world that doesnt make sense to anyone else".
He back then read Luca mafia, with you, DP and Grack (2 of these).

[Dannflor]

DP/Luca/Dann to the graaaaave

this was the post that sparked that line of thought about not real reads to me

if he was pushing the idea before i didn't read it / absorb it

[Dannflor]

i thought he town read me before then tbh

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vivax / oats is a team that makes some kind of sense

vivax's arguments about the wagon compositions and wagon speeds feels super contrived

i felt the same about 2687

i also think this is true

I think Vivax' wagon analysis is fine, especially in his world.

Now how do you find Ninja's wagon analysis from D1?

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i thought he town read me before then tbh

well he did not, maybe before before, but not at the time you made that townread post on him. he had just posted in last 100 posts to say mafia is luca and dp/dann/grack.

[Dannflor]

i don't think ninja's wagon analysis is good

i don't think it makes her scum

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why doesnt it make her scum?
why does a townie say something she said?

[Dannflor]

i was looking at vivax's reads in 3253 when i town read him, it looks like he town reads me based on that, and there's not indication that he thought i was scum with DP

[Dannflor]

why doesnt it make her scum?
why does a townie say something she said?

idk why a townie couldn't, the logic seems consistent with how she's viewed the game and made reads throughout

I don't think the analysis is correct but nothing is consistent with how she's been playing the game

[Dannflor]

nothing is inconsistent*

[Dannflor]

i was looking at vivax's reads in 3253 when i town read him, it looks like he town reads me based on that, and there's not indication that he thought i was scum with DP

if i did miss something beyond this, I will fully admit I've been skimming * a lot * this day phase

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i was looking at vivax's reads in 3253 when i town read him, it looks like he town reads me based on that, and there's not indication that he thought i was scum with DP

if i did miss something beyond this, I will fully admit I've been skimming * a lot * this day phase

You are right actually, i made a mistake. that invalidates a whole lot of my case against you.

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I think i have around 10 mins before i gotta go for a while.
Dann talk to me, i dont think Oats is mafia.
I think Ninja is mafia, i thing gob is mafia, but based on Ninja's posts i am not lying i go 1v1 here right now.

What am i missing, if you think Oats and Vivax are mafia?

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Oats made a lot of good posts today and i think they were brushed off because he is "abrasive and toxic and what the ever shit" imo.
People smart as Luca and Ninja should have realised there are good points, but only DP saw that.