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[Gypyx]

2.12

Oatsmaster (4) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni

[Exe-2]

Gob (4) :

Naerys / Hu Tao / Darth Punk / Vivax

[Exe-2]

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

outoforder (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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[DarthPunk]

Alright not using tracker to track mafia night kill is easy mafia

Do you know how the role works? Or what?

I feel like im getting gaslit everytime i talk to these new people.

Do you?

Yes why else would i say it?

So the mafia factional kill has to be carried by someone but you can’t track them? Is that your understanding?

No i could track them. But the mafia chooses who kills among their team on this site. Given how under the radar Naerys was, if she was scum its not unlikely she wouldnt carry out the kill.

So why track them at all?

[SuperfluousNinja]

Do you see my point ? If me and Oats are the reason that mafia gob lim is being delayed, they are going to assume we‘d look bad if gob flips red so they already positioned their reads for after that event due to tmi.

The only way we can disprove it is if me and Oats hammer him together and he actually flips red.

Ir gob is mafia here, his mates could as well make this Luca vs him at 4 votes.

We had Gob + Dp and now Gob + Oats.

Coincidentially, Ninja and Luca began suggesting me and Oats being partnered afterwards. And both aren‘t voting gob.

Both his mates are already voting me.

Then why aren't you voting gob?

Or why did we, his mates, not go for DP when we had the chance?

To answer the final question, it's because you know it's inevitable.

And if you want to work the angle of "but why wouldn't we shut down the conversation", I think scum, much like Darth and myself, have figured out that super long days are actually kinda bad for town, because we are entering analysis paralysis and giving ourselves too much time to second-guess ourselves.

The fact that you are trying to argue that you and oats hammering Gob makes you innocent is a real head scratcher for me. Why should that make you innocent?

[SuperfluousNinja]

Vivax really scummed it up around the p139/p140 mark. He made a load of stuff up that made no sense about the wagons, and when he realised no-one was buying it just said me and Darth are scum and slunk off, ignoring the points I made, as well as Ninja's relevant question as to why he completed ignored her Dunn wagon analysis if he's such a proponent of wagon analysis.

That doesn‘t make me mafia, but describing it like that just makes you more like Holyflare.

It‘s like you can only lazer one at a time and when you do, you always find something scummy to bring up. Guess what??? Town doesn‘t always make sense either or we could aswell just bin every single player.

It isn‘t even about inconsistencies it‘s about reading the intentions behind posts.

In case you missed it, Vivax STILL didn't explain why he completely ignored my Dunn analysis if he thinks vote wagons are important.

[Vivax]

I forgot that gob claimed tracker. I hate mornings.

VOTE: Luca Blight

He didn‘t.

[SuperfluousNinja]

And I found Ninjas intention to

keep DP from being sure about his reads

which is why I went after her when she was trying to make him doubt his Naerys read.

This is so dishonest. I did not try to keep DP from being confident about his readS, with an S at the end. I questioned his read on just one person in particular. You are playing this up as me trying to undermine everything DP is doing, and I'm not. The fact that you're being so lazy with the truth and stretching things like this is a HUGE problem for me.

[Vivax]

Do you see my point ? If me and Oats are the reason that mafia gob lim is being delayed, they are going to assume we‘d look bad if gob flips red so they already positioned their reads for after that event due to tmi.

The only way we can disprove it is if me and Oats hammer him together and he actually flips red.

Ir gob is mafia here, his mates could as well make this Luca vs him at 4 votes.

We had Gob + Dp and now Gob + Oats.

Coincidentially, Ninja and Luca began suggesting me and Oats being partnered afterwards. And both aren‘t voting gob.

Both his mates are already voting me.

Then why aren't you voting gob?

Or why did we, his mates, not go for DP when we had the chance?

To answer the final question, it's because you know it's inevitable.

And if you want to work the angle of "but why wouldn't we shut down the conversation", I think scum, much like Darth and myself, have figured out that super long days are actually kinda bad for town, because we are entering analysis paralysis and giving ourselves too much time to second-guess ourselves.

The fact that you are trying to argue that you and oats hammering Gob makes you innocent is a real head scratcher for me. Why should that make you innocent?

Inevitable lol.

You can go Thanos mode on the tracker me and Oats are a team with (I agree with that if he is). Be my guest.

Are you pushing your scumread? I don‘t think so.

[Vivax]

Either he dies tonight or tomorrow real TI claims and gob is auto yeeted and we have another result.

Wow this game is easy

[gob]

Alright not using tracker to track mafia night kill is easy mafia

Do you know how the role works? Or what?

I feel like im getting gaslit everytime i talk to these new people.

Do you?

Yes why else would i say it?

So the mafia factional kill has to be carried by someone but you can’t track them? Is that your understanding?

No i could track them. But the mafia chooses who kills among their team on this site. Given how under the radar Naerys was, if she was scum its not unlikely she wouldnt carry out the kill.

So why track them at all?

Read that again

[SuperfluousNinja]

I don't think it's crazy to think that the final vote on Dunnstral includes at least one scum, if not two, if not all three...

Last people to vote for Dunnstrall MUST absolutely have mafia in them

Bro, why are YOU doing it now too? Please look at what I said, compared to how you framed it just now.

What I hate about this is that I townread you, but I scumread Vivax, and yet you both did the same thing, embellishing what I said in dishonest ways, which I believe to be a scum tactic. So how do I parse out who is actually evil here and who is just naturally prone to embellishment?

Whichever of you is town, as the real Gob Bluth would say...COME ON!

[SuperfluousNinja]

So now it's your turn to explain how oats can get away with suddenly voting Darth when he's been unequivocally on his side the entire game?

I'm sure he could have made something up if he's teamed with gob like you say.

Wow, this has got to be the single most unsatisfying response to a question I have seen in this game.

[Naerys]

Okay, so gob slot will sort itself as the time passes. Lets say i believe his claim for now.
With that -
VOTE: oatsmaster

[Hu Tao]

I have changed my mind about the long days being pro town btw, I think it makes it hard for townies to stay engaged and keeps the discussions going around and around in circles.

This is how I feel about long days.

[SuperfluousNinja]

I'm good with a hammer at any point. Nothing else I want to talk about today.

There is simply no way someone says this and after the flip says "all the people who voted for Dunn late have a high chance of being mafia".

My wording was "I don't think it's crazy to think..." It was not that anyone has "a high chance of being mafia" on that wagon. The former, what I said, is pretty noncommittal, by design. "It's not crazy to think" is not a forceful statement, not in the least, whereas "high chance" IS a forceful statement.

You are somehow blowing things out of proportion with me and I would really like to know why.

I mean, you are actually USING quotation marks but not actually quoting me. At the very least, can you not do that? If you're going to quote me, then actually QUOTE me.

(It's still not a 1v1 though. To be clear. )

[SuperfluousNinja]

But it is not gonna be for today. Today i am going to use all my time to explain why Ninja is mafia.
Haters gonna hate and most of the people wont buy it i guess, but i am still gonna do it.

Holy shit, then do I ever feel good about my decision to avoid this game yesterday.

[Luca Blight]

Oats is

E-1

Time to claim

[SuperfluousNinja]

i don't think ninja's wagon analysis is good

Are you talking about the post where I described what happened? Or the post where I gave my interpretation of what happened?

Because the post simply describing what happened is just a recounting of facts. This person voted here, this person said that, it happened on page X, etc

[SuperfluousNinja]

Oats is

E-1

Time to claim

Fuck, I need to read faster lol.

Luckily there was a massive amount of snow last night and my bus commute is giving me extra time today.

[Hu Tao]

im not interested in yeeting anyone until OOO and ninja are back.

Fair take. I agree

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: SuperfluousNinja
Going 1v1 until one of us dies.
Most damning evidence in all game.

Oh no!

Anyway, I am back

. Planning to catch up and then really drill down into the isos of my scum reads of oats / vivax / gob and see how I still feel about that team.

Hahaha I say this when I see people voting me too sometimes

[SuperfluousNinja]

Most of you turned all that shit into scummy just because Oats is abrasive....
Which isn't even true after Oats/Roden up to any standards.

I think you're misstating the case. My beef with him is that he's manipulative and that he doesn't engage in good faith discussion with people. Frankly his abrasiveness is an X in the town column for me, just because I think being outright HOSTILE to a townie as scum is so egregious that I don't want to think that's actually what happened (the "reading comprehension" thing is indeed a personal attack). So all of that is to say, it's just his unsatisfying conversations with people that really did it for me, where he cherry picks things and doesn't look at the big picture.

And Dannstral is right on the money about how he never really initiates scum wagons or does any sort of "I noticed that person X seems really scummy for this, what do you guys think", he does mostly just piggyback onto existing things. OOO gives him credit for "good analysis" but as far as I can tell, he's still just pighybacking, drumming up some reasons to suspect anyone. It's not like scum can't make a valid point about anything.

[SuperfluousNinja]

VOTE: SuperfluousNinja
Going 1v1 until one of us dies.
Most damning evidence in all game.

Oh no!

Anyway, I am back

. Planning to catch up and then really drill down into the isos of my scum reads of oats / vivax / gob and see how I still feel about that team.

Hahaha I say this when I see people voting me too sometimes

I'm glad someone else caught the meme

[SuperfluousNinja]

are we talking or not?

He asked you to talk about it. Bit of a scummy play from you OoO. here

Are you literally just so dense man?

Can we not with the insults, please

[SuperfluousNinja]

A lot of the playerbase seems protective of ninja, maybe they know something we don‘t.

I also see things I don‘t want to mention.

Well Vivax, if that's more than 2 people, that should tell you something.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Alright everyone, unvote me temporarily. I have an announcement to make.


I am the Tracker. I tracked Naerys last night and she didn’t visit anyone.

This is why i was originally suspicious of Hu Tao’s scumclaim.

OK I finally caught up to this.

My bus is arriving in a couple minutes so my posting spree is over. No current thoughts on the claim; I need to mull it over first.