Kemusan - Game Over

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I thought rce got paired already.
Maybe I was seeing things.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

RCEnigma & SirCakez have paired!

Nope I wasn’t tripping on cold med after all

[skitter30]

Skitter can you go over your rh9 read? Idk if you already have or not.

Sorry i missed this

I feel like he's looking into things / calling out things he thinks are important to solving, and is trying to be helpful towards the broader solving/pairing effort

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Hahaha I am banking my entire play banking on certain somebody being town

[SirCakez]

Spiffeh why do you think Enchant is lean town?

[Spiffeh]

Of the remaining options at the time of your pseudo-solve, I think Enchant is the towniest of all of them. Where I have felt pretty bad about some of Lavar and RCEnigma's posts, I feel like Enchant just doesn't give a fuck and I feel like scum would really start giving a fuck if they were so widely preferred as the person to be left out of the dance. While he's not the most verbose or engaged I just get a townie vibe from his posts that I don't get from Lavar or RCEnigma.

However, I also won't care THAT much if Enchant is left behind because beyond town-pings here and there from his one liners I don't expect to be able to meaningfully sort him based on his play style and he will have to be PoE'd eventually. I just think there are bigger fish to fry (aka Lavar).

[RCEnigma]

Skitter can you go over your rh9 read? Idk if you already have or not.

Sorry i missed this

I feel like he's looking into things / calling out things he thinks are important to solving, and is trying to be helpful towards the broader solving/pairing effort

Any specific instances? I only really remember his input with lld and comparing another dance game they were in.

[RCEnigma]

RCEnigma & SirCakez have paired!

Nope I wasn’t tripping on cold med after all

Look mama I made it!

[Bell]

ill pair up tomorrow morning i am somewhat conflicted

Somewhat?

[fireisredsir]

assorted vague thoughts. content warning, anyone who is uncomfortable seeing undeveloped thought processes and general lack of conclusions please look away now:

- i don't really like hammering, ive only really done it a handful of times, so this is probably harder for me than it reasonably should be. making final decisions is difficult and i keep thinking "but what if". i also don't really like holding things up and everyone waiting on me though so ill choose soon

- i am not particularly excited about the prospect of pairing with either lavar or enchant. sorry. which makes this not super easy to choose

- in my earlier days i thought that both of these slots were likely town and they've both kind of dropped into feeling somewhat scummy to me. how ever if i take a step back and look at the general gamestate vibes i think my gut would tell me that there isn't anyone who actually majorly cares who lives or dies here

- i think i would be pretty willing to jump towards the option of voting enchant if again i found anything at all towny about their play. the only case for enchant town is "would care more if they're scum about to be left out" which is nebulous and imo not necessarily applicable to enchant

- i don't really think the lavar post was a slip although i tend to discount such things, but the mindset behind it is still weird. if he scumreads me im not sure why he would need to change his read to a townread in order to want to pair with me. i guess if im being generous i could believe that he wants to, as town, trick me, his scumread, into thinking that he won't instaleave me so that i will pair with him over enchant and then he has the power to leave me if he still scumreads me. i might me talking myself into thinking it could be a town mindset. because if he knows im town then he just has to look towny to me, he doesn't have to convince me that he won't leave. however he also might just be playing it more straightforward and trying to appeal to me

- enchant being like "nah fire is maf and will never ever pick me anyway" is like on a surface level actually probably harder to see as a scum mindset and ironically makes me want to pick them. it's possible they would have predicted that reaction. it's possible they have just accepted their death regardless of alignment. i think though that they're correct that if i were scum and both of them are town i pretty much would always want to pick lavar here

- if i take into consideration the factor of "if they're both town, who am i more likely to find as town?" i am also conflicted lol. lavar as a playstyle feels like one id be more able to read over time, but enchant also can be somewhat polarized, and if they're town and decide they actually feel like playing the game at some point then i think id be relatively likely to find them

[fireisredsir]

idk

ill choose in like an hour or so

if anyone would like to influence me please feel free i am very influencable thanks

[fferyllt]

If you're town, I don't envy you making this choice.

I may miss the start of the next phase by a couple hours. Bike ride.

[Bell]

I think there have been quite a few players that care who lives and dies here. Multiple players have weighed in. It could be pointless and players that are power scum definitely would have weighed in heavier if they cared about the outcome (albeit, I’m not sure how you’d go about defending enchant beyond what has already been posted and pointing at the other player).

Mainly the townier players have weighed in the most. While other players have weighed in only slightly which may be why you’ve noticed that there seems to be a lack of care in the outcome.

Minus skitter. Who has both weighed in and isn’t blindingly townie.

[fireisredsir]

yeah i meant people caring in the sense that they have information that one of the flips would be a different color than the others

i agree people have expressed opinions but none of those really give me that vibe

[fferyllt]

Rain. damnit.

[skitter30]

yeah i meant people caring in the sense that they have information that one of the flips would be a different color than the others

i agree people have expressed opinions but none of those really give me that vibe

This is kinda why i think everyone involved is town
I don't think this decision, like, matters, at the end of the day, or that anyone is pushing for it one way or the other. I don't think scum care

[skitter30]

Fire i think you're town, in your shoes i would probably just make the decisuon on who you'd rather be in a hood with and/or who you think is most likely town

[fferyllt]

I think there have been quite a few players that care who lives and dies here. Multiple players have weighed in. It could be pointless and players that are power scum definitely would have weighed in heavier if they cared about the outcome (albeit, I’m not sure how you’d go about defending enchant beyond what has already been posted and pointing at the other player).

Mainly the townier players have weighed in the most. While other players have weighed in only slightly which may be why you’ve noticed that there seems to be a lack of care in the outcome.

Minus skitter. Who has both weighed in and isn’t blindingly townie.

Is skitter the only not so townie player who has weighed in?

[Bell]

It depends how you define weighing in, I don’t consider the last post by LLD or Cabd weighing in because they were low effort posts.

[Firebringer]

Fire i think you're town,

why do you think fireisred is town

[skitter30]

I don't think this decision matters as much if he's scum unless it's with, like, both of them

I think 2084 is approaching this from a townie mindset, with a lot of sincere worrying abt getting this right. It doesnt seem like he's posturing or making it up for townpoints

[Firebringer]

okay and if he is scum he could also just be waiting out the clock to encourage more apathy, if both are town and it doesn't matter to him. He could just pretend to be weighing them both.

I don't actually know how from a town perspective this is hard. Like I don't believe fireisred thinks one of the two is possible scum and his decision matters at all.

[fireisredsir]

why do you think that i should be convinced that they are both town

[Bell]

Which player do you want to live FB?

[Firebringer]

i want enchant to live, because it makes an easier push to eliminate firered