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[DarthPunk]

Maybe they wanted the malaise to set in for town.

Huh? I don't follow. Hu Tao is asking people to just do less, to just say less. To kick back their legs and see things unfold. How does this contribute to "malaise"?

There are definitely reasons as mafia to not want any discussions and to just yeet gob and have two more days of nothing, like at this point grack and Luca have not have not posted for four days.

But you do understand why reads lists at that point in time are helpful, right?

Yes, but there is equity on both sides of the play here for town.

I think we may need to agree to disagree on this one, I am revisiting my read on HT anyway.

[DarthPunk]

I think Vivax is town.

Okay. If I spend an inordinate amount of time showing you all of his inconsistencies, will you change your mind? Because I'm pretty content to spend the next few real-time days making that case, showing you all the weird stuff he has done. Vivax doesn't seem interested in explaining any of the stuff I've brought up to him, so I guess I'll just toss it to you instead since you think Vivax is town.

Are you looking forward to having to explain a litany of hard-to-explain shit that he has done?

Yeah you should post a case if you think there is something I missed that makes him mafia.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Darth, when are you going to realize Vivax is playing you like a fiddle?

lol, how should I respond to this Ninja?

I don't know why vivax would try to scum read me if he was

town

. He needs me right now, cause there is some pressure ITT but he is just scumhunting, trying to figure out the game.

I mean some of his takes are like WTF. But I see natural suspicion and thinking going on even if I don;t agree with the conclusions.

The bolded part, I'm going to assume you meant to say scum.

The answer is because he doesn't have anyone left to scum read.

He is scum, but he needs 2 scumspects. He can't choose me because Dannflor cleared me. And if we're content to think that, he can't choose Naerys either for picking up on what Dannflor said. He doesn't really want to make a case on Grack since that's probably his scum partner. And clearly he's not going to admit to being scum himself. That rules out 4 of our remaining 7, so he's only got a pool of 3 from which he has to draw 2 scum: you, HT, and Luca. You're really going to tell me you're surprised he is scum reading you when he has so few choices?

His takes are WTF because he's scum. It's as simple as that.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Maybe they wanted the malaise to set in for town.

Huh? I don't follow. Hu Tao is asking people to just do less, to just say less. To kick back their legs and see things unfold. How does this contribute to "malaise"?

There are definitely reasons as mafia to not want any discussions and to just yeet gob and have two more days of nothing, like at this point grack and Luca have not have not posted for four days.

But you do understand why reads lists at that point in time are helpful, right?

Yes, but there is equity on both sides of the play here for town.

I think we may need to agree to disagree on this one, I am revisiting my read on HT anyway.

If you were only going to answer one of my two questions, I would have rather it been the first.

[DarthPunk]

Maybe they wanted the malaise to set in for town.

Huh? I don't follow. Hu Tao is asking people to just do less, to just say less. To kick back their legs and see things unfold. How does this contribute to "malaise"?

There are definitely reasons as mafia to not want any discussions and to just yeet gob and have two more days of nothing, like at this point grack and Luca have not have not posted for four days.

But you do understand why reads lists at that point in time are helpful, right?

Yes, but there is equity on both sides of the play here for town.

I think we may need to agree to disagree on this one, I am revisiting my read on HT anyway.

If you were only going to answer one of my two questions, I would have rather it been the first.

The feeling of disengagement from the game that comes from not being able to post or interact for multiple days.

[Vivax]

I'd look at HT/Grack for today.

When rereading Luca, his overconfidence on Oats being mafia struck me as kinda townie.
He also didn't post yet so maybe he's gnawing at a pillow for being wrong on Oats.

Ninja, everyone is inconsistent. The trick is finding who is trying their hardest not to be.

[DarthPunk]

Darth, when are you going to realize Vivax is playing you like a fiddle?

lol, how should I respond to this Ninja?

I don't know why vivax would try to scum read me if he was

town

. He needs me right now, cause there is some pressure ITT but he is just scumhunting, trying to figure out the game.

I mean some of his takes are like WTF. But I see natural suspicion and thinking going on even if I don;t agree with the conclusions.

The bolded part, I'm going to assume you meant to say scum.

The answer is because he doesn't have anyone left to scum read.

He is scum, but he needs 2 scumspects. He can't choose me because Dannflor cleared me. And if we're content to think that, he can't choose Naerys either for picking up on what Dannflor said. He doesn't really want to make a case on Grack since that's probably his scum partner. And clearly he's not going to admit to being scum himself. That rules out 4 of our remaining 7, so he's only got a pool of 3 from which he has to draw 2 scum: you, HT, and Luca. You're really going to tell me you're surprised he is scum reading you when he has so few choices?

His takes are WTF because he's scum. It's as simple as that.

Yeah ok that makes sense. I think you getting cleared by Dann was a game changer tbh.

Well I could also see Luca and Grack.

I think Grack is the most likely to be mafia assuming HT is town.

I am going to go read his ISO.

[SuperfluousNinja]

@Darth

Why does Town Vivax sheep onto Dannflor's big case on me,

so soon after he placed Dannflor in his scum pool?

And then later be all "eh, it's kinda NAI"? How did he go from "waiter, I'll have what he's having" to that?

.....
So

Dann/OOO/Oats

would be my picks for today.

Dannflor's big case on superfluousninja (which totally isn't some random generated amongus name) appears attractive.
His two follow up posts have that certain satisfied nailed it vibe so he can be town.
I think that perhaps he was holding back from calling those things out initially for some reason, maybe they have some history of playing together and he wanted to give superflous some room to post before deciding to push her.

Waiter, I'll have what he's having.

His case on Ninja was impressive but big flashy posts can be scum indicative as well.

[Vivax]

At least it's the trick that works on me. If you deliberately play like a scummy potato, I will townread you.
I might just be the only player in the game who actually defended gob lol

[SuperfluousNinja]

The feeling of disengagement from the game that comes from not being able to post or interact for multiple days.

I don't follow, how does this general feeling stem specifically from Hu Tao asking people not to give their reads?

[DarthPunk]

@Darth

Why does Town Vivax sheep onto Dannflor's big case on me,

so soon after he placed Dannflor in his scum pool?

And then later be all "eh, it's kinda NAI"? How did he go from "waiter, I'll have what he's having" to that?

.....
So

Dann/OOO/Oats

would be my picks for today.

Dannflor's big case on superfluousninja (which totally isn't some random generated amongus name) appears attractive.
His two follow up posts have that certain satisfied nailed it vibe so he can be town.
I think that perhaps he was holding back from calling those things out initially for some reason, maybe they have some history of playing together and he wanted to give superflous some room to post before deciding to push her.

Waiter, I'll have what he's having.

His case on Ninja was impressive but big flashy posts can be scum indicative as well.

I don't think his read on dann was that strong at that part of the game though.

[SuperfluousNinja]

@Vivax

Why did you try to murder me yesterday?

[DarthPunk]

The feeling of disengagement from the game that comes from not being able to post or interact for multiple days.

I don't follow, how does this general feeling stem specifically from Hu Tao asking people not to give their reads?

We don't interact and we spend another 2 days at night?

[SuperfluousNinja]

I don't think his read on dann was that strong at that part of the game though.

How does a bad case against a townie make him seem less scummy?

[SuperfluousNinja]

The feeling of disengagement from the game that comes from not being able to post or interact for multiple days.

I don't follow, how does this general feeling stem specifically from Hu Tao asking people not to give their reads?

We don't interact and we spend another 2 days at night?

You're answering the question "how does a break in the game contribute to malaise?". That's not the question I asked.

I asked you "how does HU TAO'S COMMENT contribute to malaise?"

[DarthPunk]

A LOT of Hu Tao's commentary has been meta game analysis. They spent a lot of time back-and-forthing about activity levels and what that means. Meta game analysis is always an easy way for scum to just talk about stuff and appear active.

Do you not think Hu Tao's comment is basically a version of the above ninja?

[DarthPunk]

The feeling of disengagement from the game that comes from not being able to post or interact for multiple days.

I don't follow, how does this general feeling stem specifically from Hu Tao asking people not to give their reads?

We don't interact and we spend another 2 days at night?

You're answering the question "how does a break in the game contribute to malaise?". That's not the question I asked.

I asked you "how does HU TAO'S COMMENT contribute to malaise?"

She is advocating for a break in the game.

[SuperfluousNinja]

A LOT of Hu Tao's commentary has been meta game analysis. They spent a lot of time back-and-forthing about activity levels and what that means. Meta game analysis is always an easy way for scum to just talk about stuff and appear active.

Do you not think Hu Tao's comment is basically a version of the above ninja?

No, I don't. Talking about meta game analysis is filler. Hu Tao's comment in that specific situation had a very clear purpose and intent.

[Vivax]

@Vivax

Why did you try to murder me yesterday?

Fire support for OoO . Same way we attempted to go after Luca D1.
But also cause the way you acted surprised about Dunn getting wagoned as if he was so obviously town made me go scumscum on you.

Do link a scum game of yours please. I'm curious if you're as hyperactive in such a case.

[Hu Tao]

I love how Vivax does not consider Grack at all.

[DarthPunk]

A LOT of Hu Tao's commentary has been meta game analysis. They spent a lot of time back-and-forthing about activity levels and what that means. Meta game analysis is always an easy way for scum to just talk about stuff and appear active.

Do you not think Hu Tao's comment is basically a version of the above ninja?

No, I don't. Talking about meta game analysis is filler. Hu Tao's comment in that specific situation had a very clear purpose and intent.

Ok well in my heuristics of playing mafia, the comment lands broadly in the range of the above which means I don't think it makes HT more likely to be town than mafia in any way.

[Hu Tao]

Oats if you get eliminated now and flip scum you're going to get me shot.

It's really going to bolster my reputation.

That post from scum Grack would be Oscar worthy.
He did have gob and Hu Tao in his last list previously. I can see Hu Tao.

Hu Tao and ???

Is this a sort by postcount, become mafia pro game?

I wanted to put pressure on gob and you unvoted when he was e-1. Not sure why you'd think I'd be scum here

[SuperfluousNinja]

You're answering the question "how does a break in the game contribute to malaise?". That's not the question I asked.

I asked you "how does HU TAO'S COMMENT contribute to malaise?"

She is advocating for a break in the game.

I think you're putting words in her mouth when you say that. You are phrasing this as if to say that the real message Hu Tao wanted to convey with that comment was something along the lines of "gosh I'm tired, let's take a break" or something like that.

How about this: it's stupid of the two of us to try and ascertain what Hu Tao was trying to say when Hu Tao can tell us themselves. I'll put the ball in their court and leave it at that.

@Hu Tao, was your comment about not giving reads, was that anything to do with some general sense of malaise, as Darth is arguing it is, or was it something else?

[SuperfluousNinja]

@Vivax

Why did you try to murder me yesterday?

Fire support for OoO . Same way we attempted to go after Luca D1.
But also cause the way you acted surprised about Dunn getting wagoned as if he was so obviously town made me go scumscum on you.

Do link a scum game of yours please. I'm curious if you're as hyperactive in such a case.

My only two games here are town, and personalitycafe.com is kaputt, so, I'm very sorry but you will not be able to use any of this weird meta shit against me. You're going to have to talk about things that we can all see with our own eyeballs.

[DarthPunk]

You're answering the question "how does a break in the game contribute to malaise?". That's not the question I asked.

I asked you "how does HU TAO'S COMMENT contribute to malaise?"

She is advocating for a break in the game.

I think you're putting words in her mouth when you say that. You are phrasing this as if to say that the real message Hu Tao wanted to convey with that comment was something along the lines of "gosh I'm tired, let's take a break" or something like that.

How about this: it's stupid of the two of us to try and ascertain what Hu Tao was trying to say when Hu Tao can tell us themselves. I'll put the ball in their court and leave it at that.

@Hu Tao, was your comment about not giving reads, was that anything to do with some general sense of malaise, as Darth is arguing it is, or was it something else?

Well this is never going to work lol, aside from her saying whatever it is that will make her town in this scenario. And she would do that as both alignments.

FWIW I am not saying that comment makes her mafia, I am just saying it doesn't make her town.

it's just that I can see reasons for both Mafia!HT and Town!HT to make that post.