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[Snow2697]

How confident are you that I'm scum?

like 50/50

I am more so just removing you to avoid the headache.

A 50/50 scum for me is someone neutral, neither scum nor town. Do I take it right that you have abandoned your case that she is scum?

[Snow2697]

I think cakes vote seemed weird though. And nurses post seemed forced that I quoted. I'm fine with either of them being the elimination so far

What do you find weird about the cakes vote? Do you still think that in context of their interactions?

Just that he says he's sheeping gob, but gobs vote really was just based off past experiences not this game

gob is that good, I had to sheep him

Why do you think Gob is town, not scum?

Cakez, why do you think Gob is town, not scum, and is worth following?

[Snow2697]

A couple of thoughts. Sorry for this long post. First, description of moves as I see then.

1 - Black wrote about Gob:
Post Post #199 (ISO) » Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:37 pm
If he's scum then I think one of NotAScum/T3 is also scum helping with the push

2 - STD revoked his vote vs Gob, so Gob had only 1 vote then.
Post Post #202 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:41 am
VOTE: no elimination

3 - SmileyDude1 and Naerys criticized T3.

4 - Black voted vs T3 with no additional reasons.
Post Post #222 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:39 pm
VOTE: T3

5 - after some exchange Black switched vote to Gob
Post Post #236 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:45 pm
Actually yeah I don't think gob says this if he's town. No shot
Both scum wins I got against gob recently he claimed his teammates threw the game. He didn't give me or the other scum any credit at all. And now suddenly he's trying to act like he thinks I'm some scary scum player that needs to go immediately
VOTE: gob

6 - then Black asked STD to join her vs Gob, e.g.
Post Post #241 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:02 pm
Help me fade gob

7 - STD returned his vote vs Gob, Gob had 3 votes
Post Post #263 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:46 pm
VOTE: gob

8 - Naerys unvoted Gob
Post Post #266 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:48 pm
UNVOTE:

9 - Aristeia wrote to Black that "if you're mafia your scumteam would be like one of t3/notascum[leaning towards NAS] and maybe hu tao?" and then "I really doubt STD/Black are S/S from their interactions"

10 - STD unvoted Gob
Post Post #283 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:04 pm
...
VOTE: no lim

11 - Black asked Aristeia "Why didn't you help me push either of them when I voted for them"

So:
- I don't understand why Black did not criticize Cakez in 1.
- I didn't quite like her vote vs T3 in 3. She called T3 a possible scum assuming Gob is scum. But she goes after T3, not Gob. I read it as an attempt to build a train vs T3. By then Gob had only 1 vote (Naerys) and SmileyDude1 with Naerys already criticized T3. Would be reasonable to assume that a train vs Gob would not succeed and T3 is a more promising target.
- Not sure I understand her switch to Gob in 5. No further votes vs T3, thus let's return to Gob?
- She then pressed for votes vs Gob. After reaching 3 votes, Gob's train collapsed.
- But her phrase in 11 suggests that she was ready to push NotAScum as well. Again ignoring Cakez.
- If Black is town, her moves can be explained. E.g. she did not quite care whom to target from her opponents, since she felt unsafe herself. But I cannot explain her silence on Cakez. Especially when Cakez switched votes and did not answer questions on "why Black is scum" and "why Gob is town and worth following".
- If Black is scum, Cakez could be her fellow scum. Or a town whom she wished to bring on her side.
- I would not exclude completely that Black and Cakez are both scums. For instance, after Black and Gob had 4/3 votes, Gob wrote a post which could be read as an attempt to somewhat ease the tension.
Post #265 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:48 pm
i know youre good and i respect you and your play. I dont really disrepect anyones play tbh. Even though i think im the best ofc.
- Another thing is why train vs Gob has collapsed so quickly.

Black, can you comment on the above?

[gob]

How confident are you that I'm scum?

like 50/50

I am more so just removing you to avoid the headache.

A 50/50 scum for me is someone neutral, neither scum nor town. Do I take it right that you have abandoned your case that she is scum?

no

[gob]

bros i am officially in love

[gob]

i am a real american

fight for the rights of every man

i am a real american

fught foe whats right fight for your life!

i am a real american

fights for the rights of everyman

[Black]

You guys just randomly voting to see their reactions? It really seems like it.

We're voting you because you're probably lurky scum

[Black]

Anyways, back to Mafia:

I think I lean town on gob because it would make sense for him to be paranoid about me. He could be scum that is using that as a way to push me but I find this less likely

I suppose gob could be scum

He started Open 897 in a similiar way, pushing me and then working backwards to justify the vote. I think there's a possibility that gob likes to push me when he's scum because he views me as a threat. The only problem is I think he would view me as a threat if he were town too so it's really not definitive evidence

The policy lim stuff is scummy but it's hard to read gob with that because I think he does scummy stuff a lot when he's town

It's a lot of words with no real or clear conclusion, it feels like posting for the sake of posting

I'm showing my thought process. That's not scummy

I’m not totally sure about that. I feel like you’d have simply come to a more concrete conclusion and stayed there but Im not sure.

I think it's wrong of you to feel this way. Concrete conclusions are for people that are confident in their read. It's not scummy to lack conviction

[Black]

Snow I see your questions for me. I'll respond to them when I get out of bed

[Ausuka]

European turtle dove - Streptopelia turtur

The european turtle dove is largely brown with a pink tinge. Its plummage is black and caramel brown. This bird lives in forests, steppe biomes and semi-arid areas. It eats an assortment of seeds from various weeds and grains, and is preyed upon by other birds and also snakes. This is a migratory bird; counterintuitively, it can be seen from Svalbard to China to South Africa! Unfortunately, since humans are exploiting the forests in which these birds often live, population size is decreasing. Therefore, this bird is rated as 'VN' or vulnerable by the IUCN. In European Russia, the population size of this dove dropped over 90% since 1980! Doves are traditionally supposed to represent peace, but I don't think this bird looks like the traditional depiction of a dove at all. Maybe that means it's not peaceful?

VOTECOUNT 1.4

Black (3)

- SirCakez, T3, NotAScum

NotAScum (2)

- Random Nurse, SmileyDude1

gob (1)

- Black

Naerys (1)

- shaddowez

Random Nurse (1)

- Hu Tao

shaddowez (1)

- gob

SmileyDude1 (1)

- Aristeia

No Elimination (2)

- Snow2697, Save the Dragons

Not Voting (1)

- Naerys

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2024-02-26 01:12:53).

(sidenote: always remember to copy a long post to the clipboard before you submit it because otherwise you might get logged out and have to do everything all over again which is super tedious. grumble grumble)

[Hu Tao]

I'm fine with voting NotAScum. Kinda just want to do something, this game feels dead

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: hu tao

[Hu Tao]

But why

[Save The Dragons]

Spoiler:

[Hu Tao]

[Black]

- I don't understand why Black did not criticize Cakez in 1.

I felt like the way Cakez declared that he was openly sheeping gob seemed unpartnered. I considered maybe Cakez being scum doing it for that exact reason but it seemed like a less likely approach than the way T3 and NAS joined my wagon

I didn't quite like her vote vs T3 in 3. She called T3 a possible scum assuming Gob is scum. But she goes after T3, not Gob. I read it as an attempt to build a train vs T3. By then Gob had only 1 vote (Naerys) and SmileyDude1 with Naerys already criticized T3. Would be reasonable to assume that a train vs Gob would not succeed and T3 is a more promising target.

At the time I was also considering the possibility of gob being town. In this world I felt like T3 could be scum trying to help gob fade me. T3's vote felt forced, like he was trying to justify joining the wagon with bad reasons (163, 189) and I thought pressuring there would be useful. My vote isn't typically static, especially on D1

Not sure I understand her switch to Gob in 5. No further votes vs T3, thus let's return to Gob?

I already touched on this in 257. To understand this read you kinda have to understand the dynamic between gob and I and how I think he views me. I could be wrong but I don't think gob likes me very much and he has criticized two of my recent scum wins in a way that felt like he was trying to keep my ego in check. After re-reading those comments I felt like there was no way town!gob would openly praise my scum game like he has done this game. It was a gut feeling but it was fairly strong, so I went back to gob

[Black]

This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff

[gob]

This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff

really?

[gob]

VOTE: Black

[Black]

This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff

really?

Do you disagree? He's townie af

[gob]

This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff

really?

Do you disagree? He's townie af

just feel like it was obvious and didnt need to be said outloud

[Black]

I'm just being transparent with my reads. I can stop talking if you want me to

[Hu Tao]

This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff

He's been town since like 3 pages in but I agree

[NotAScum]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Anime avatars are scum tricks. I'll not give into such deceptions.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Anime avatars are scum tricks. I'll not give into such deceptions.

Hi there!

Rvs was 15 pages ago

Are you just giving up here or