Open 903: IC Basic [Game Over]

[Nora.]

lmao Nora mafia

ok vote for me then xD whys your vote still on gypyx (another villager)

[Nora.]

bingle is trending up for me too, i kinda buy their argument about the NK even if it could easily be wifom

[Enchant]

oh hello @Enchant

I think you are mafia

what do you have to say about that? ^^

Is this your problem or mine, i don't get it?

not asking you to vote, just wanna see a stance from you

I mean, my stance is that Bingle never kills will last night. I make the mech optimal gob kill or the fun optimal no kill.

wait, the factional is not compulsive?
probably doesnt matter here though, but in setups with roleblockers that would be a gamechanger

but i do agree that hitting the IC n1 is ideal because you either kill them instantly or ensure they are dead by n2 at the latest

Dumbtell harder.

lmao Nora mafia

ok vote for me then xD whys your vote still on gypyx (another villager)

No.

[Nora.]

...

voting against your reads to blatantly try and appease the IC? check
refusing to answer a simple question and deflecting it? check
mindless omgus? check

you can die

add to this you also sound pissed at being found right as youve subbed in xD

@gob im voting enchant

[Enchant]

You bend situation to your vision, or complete delusional.

Sad to be you.

[Bingle]

Okay... so my re-read is progressing...

Page 3/4:

NAS is already voting Leek here, and Bingle comes in for a first bit of serious posting by pressing Gypyx about cognitive dissonance on a post where she had (pretty obviously) used the opposite word of what she meant then corrected herself in the next post. When that correction is pointed out, Bingle doesn't back down but instead skeptically asks her to explain her worldview. Potential chainsaw (I think that's what it's called?) defense of Leek

Spoiler: actual posts

Gypyx can you unpack the cogdis in 44 for me?

Gypyx can you unpack the cogdis in 44 for me?

wdym by that

You gave a pretty decent reason for an early townread and a really week reason for an early scum read and said your vote was more solid. Why fore?

Gypyx can you unpack the cogdis in 44 for me?

wdym by that

You gave a pretty decent reason for an early townread and a really week reason for an early scum read and said your vote was more solid. Why fore?

now i'm just confused

you think the way leek played his opening was towny?

You said you think leeks posting was awkward in a way that suggests wanting to leave rvs AND that that was towny, actually.

uhhh, ok

yeah so kinda getting weird vibes from leek's overall posting? Kinda feels forced in the realm of wanting to push the game out of RVS while being extremely self-concsious, which is a mindset that more often comes from town than scum

also 43 Feels very much exagerrated in it's "oh yeah, i would be scum next game cause this one i'm totally town !"

am already voting leek but this can be for realsies now

Green: nuanced townread.
Red: scumread based on lamist.

oh ok that, i misphrased it

You would notice that i corrected myself afterwards

Hm. Why do you think wanting to progress game but not being sure how is a scum trait?

oh ok that, i misphrased it

You would notice that i corrected myself afterwards

Hm. Why do you think wanting to progress game but not being sure how is a scum trait?

we agree that town rarely wants to fabricate thoughts that they don't actually have right? At most they play up their reads for getting reactions and stuff

if they don't have anything, such as during RVS, they need to fish, which is extremely different from actually expressing a read

and, an easy way for scum to stumble is to try to express reads that don't actually have any substance behind them since "we're in RVS i need to push the game fowards that's what i would do"

Obviously they're aware of it so an easy way to do it is in the shape of jokes / undermine themselves / whatever, but them mindset stays here

I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?

if this is scum!bingle attempting to defend his partner it's a very shallow defense i gotta say that much, i read it more as him trying to read me by asking questions

also doing associatives at this point of the game is pretty bad, since it all collapses the moment someone flips in an unexpected way

Pretty clearly not any sort of serious pressure on Gypyx, but rather a direct defense of leek (not a chainsaw), an attempt to figure out gypyx’s thought process, and something that had literally already been explained as that the next page. What does this indicate other than a lack of critical reading as to what was going on there?

As far as an attempt to shut your engagement down… it would be far more effective to just not engage with you if I didn’t want you producing content.

[Bingle]

Hey gypyx, can you explain why the gob kill is mechanically the best?

on top of what enchant said it also has the benefit of not allowing the mason partner to keep his reads hidden, so killing IC is good (especially IC gob)

pedit : stop pediting everyone

Why is killing IC gob good, he's not exactly showing signs of leading town to a resounding victory XD

I mean… the alternative being that will was? If the shot was taken from a mech perspective, which I think is true and you said you thought when you said you thought it was a mason hunting shot, then correct play was to shoot at gob. (Low info, potentially high reward, inevitably needs to be killed anyway). The only one I could maybe see being a gamestate kill would be gypyx, because she’s being leadery but she’s also not really above suspicion. There’s no real consensus town to kill. All of this points to the kill being made either by someone who didn’t know that it’s better to miss the kill on an ic than to miss the kill on a mason read or someone who wanted to push that narrative.

[Gypyx]

it would be time to start doing things i think

don't think i wanna vote outside of drew / enchant today

[Gypyx]

(we have 2 days 12 hours until deadline)

[Bingle]

My solve atm is enchant aureal, but I’m open to being wrong on aureal.

Drew is nothingburger, Nora is solid town and you’re probs not scum with enchant or aureal

[Bingle]

VOTE: enchant

Aureal and I have time to talk tomorrow, I suppose.

[Gypyx]

My solve atm is enchant aureal, but I’m open to being wrong on aureal.

Drew is nothingburger, Nora is solid town and you’re probs not scum with enchant or aureal

I think Aureal has pretty high chances of being town, and even then i'm more confident to let her alive than nothingburgers 1 and 2

[gob]

im not sure why people arent following me

[Gypyx]

if you ask nicely i will sheep you

[gob]

im trying to get you killed guepz

[Gypyx]

that's not very nice, no sheeping for you

[Aureal]

Pretty clearly not any sort of serious pressure on Gypyx, but rather a direct defense of leek (not a chainsaw), an attempt to figure out gypyx’s thought process, and something that had literally already been explained as that the next page. What does this indicate other than a lack of critical reading as to what was going on there?

Who even gives a crap about 'serious pressure' or whatever? I barely even remember what this argument is about in the first place, you're trying to go all over the place with it. I had a thought about there being a partner defense during my re-read and commented on it. And you jumped at me using Gypyx's post as a way to prop up your argument to start being insulting and take down the thought that I had. I don't buy into these "oh of course scum wouldn't try to defend their partner on day 1 no matter how subtly hahaha what a silly thought" arguments so if that's what you wanna argue with me you're wasting your time. And you're the one lacking in critical reading here, trying to attack me for not knowing while reading page 5 that there's going to be more conversation on that subject on the next page. Not that the next page did anything to change my opinion when I got there.

As far as an attempt to shut your engagement down… it would be far more effective to just not engage with you if I didn’t want you producing content.

Yeah I have a bit of a hard time believing you believe that.

[Aureal]

My solve atm is enchant aureal, but I’m open to being wrong on aureal.

Drew is nothingburger, Nora is solid town and you’re probs not scum with enchant or aureal

I think Aureal has pretty high chances of being town, and even then i'm more confident to let her alive than nothingburgers 1 and 2

Why do you think I'm likely to be town?

[Aureal]

im not sure why people arent following me

Aren't you?

[Aureal]

My solve atm is enchant aureal, but I’m open to being wrong on aureal.

Drew is nothingburger, Nora is solid town and you’re probs not scum with enchant or aureal

And why do you think Gypyx wouldn't be scum with either of us?

[Gypyx]

My solve atm is enchant aureal, but I’m open to being wrong on aureal.

Drew is nothingburger, Nora is solid town and you’re probs not scum with enchant or aureal

I think Aureal has pretty high chances of being town, and even then i'm more confident to let her alive than nothingburgers 1 and 2

Why do you think I'm likely to be town?

You just sound extremely genuine? Like yeah sorry it's not something i'm too much able to put into words but i just really feel like the way you've gotten passionate around arguing with bingle isn't fake for instance

[Enchant]

im not sure why people arent following me

Because they think they are never wrong.

I personally not a fan of sheeping IC myself, but you are informed.

[Enchant]

It's unlikely you will be alive, but.

Consider voting Bingle tomorrow. Bingle positions self for "lol i was wrong sowwi" approach.

[Enchant]

voting against your reads to blatantly try and appease the IC? check
refusing to answer a simple question and deflecting it? check
mindless omgus? check

Anyone who considers these genuine, i tell you what.

When first was scummy at all, or why you think sheeping informed IC is bad.

Why i should interact with person who basically goes "i hate you, what you gonna do with that?". I don't care what potential mafia thinks about me.

OMGUS done regularly, by everyone. Look at Gypix who also did same, or any one game where player vote back.


I am not trueclaiming, have fun with that.

[Gypyx]

an enchant post with 5 lines, truly marvelous

must ponder on this wisdom