Open 904: DE Runs a Marathon Setup in the Open Queue [Completed]

[Dannflor]

no idea because i didn't roll scum this game

[usesPython]

I'll say you're probably never going to top town or top scum for the exact same reason; fear.

I don't believe fear has ever stopped you forming a confident read on me before. What is different about my play this game?

{hellbooks, fireisredsir, JupiterXV, usesPython, Dannflor}
{Political Clout, Black, tris}

P50

On the one hand, these reads feel really solid.
On the other, I should never have a perfect readslist with everyone town except three scum. I'm not that good.

did you miss this?

[Dannflor]

{hellbooks}
{JupiterXV}
{fireisredsir, usesPython, Dannflor}
{Black}
{Political Clout, tris}

P56

[tris]

uhm im not exceptionally town reading Ranger's catch up

same

[tris]

tho, maybe im omgusing!

[tris]

i need her to give an explanation so i can go oh that makes sense, of course you would scum read me

[tris]

also, idk if im not townreading because of some playstyle thing

[hellbooks]

i dont think ranger has particularly moved the needle in one way or another yet

[Black]

Yeah I don't know how anyone is getting any reads out of Ranger's catch-up. Seems pretty standard to me

[fireisredsir]

i can't tell if python's response to ranger replacement is more likely to come from scum tmi that the slot will be towny now or from wanting to try to manifest the lim being off the table but either way it doesn't feel like a town reaction

[tris]

good point

[Dannflor]

VOTE: usesPython

[Dannflor]

i agree with fire

[fireisredsir]

being agreed with makes me nervous

[Dannflor]

i have a new solve i want to talk about but it's probably correct to just not

[Dannflor]

but in other news i think fireistownsir

[usesPython]

i can't tell if python's response to ranger replacement is more likely to come from scum tmi that the slot will be towny now or from wanting to try to manifest the lim being off the table but either way it doesn't feel like a town reaction

We ran the numbers on page 57 and concluded we can't save ourselves here so it'd be pretty weird for us to pull that, especially since a ranger/python game would mean both of us don't make it to day 2 in that case because ranger would be the optimal nightkill at that point

[fireisredsir]

i have been noticing more and more as a pattern lately that scum have a tendency to believe that town people's reads are more locked in than they actually are

[DragonEater70]

VC soonish

[usesPython]

I think there's been a decent amount of conflation from people when it comes to our posts wrt "this person is scum" vs "this person is a good wagon"; namely unless scum are being stupidly blatant a scum flip won't happen today. Ranger saves the slot because regardless of how many people go "nah not feeling it" if there's even one other person that goes "ok good enough" she's already impossible to flip as scum

[Dannflor]

so...

you both believe bussing D1 is perfectly playable for scum in this setup

but you also believe it is impossible to flip scum D1

[fireisredsir]

i don't understand how that mindset matches up with your belief that it's optimal for scum to lim one of themselves today and set up a deepwolf

[usesPython]

i have been noticing more and more as a pattern lately that scum have a tendency to believe that town people's reads are more locked in than they actually are

More playstyle in this case, our wagoneering style relies heavily on forcing compromises instead of actually casing; we're good enough at it to force a compromise lim through with 23 hours on the clock but we're not good enough to change peoples minds and also mount a counterwagon in that time so the level of locked in-ness is completely irrelevant because we can't actually leverage it

[Dannflor]

fireisredsir and i have a PT

[usesPython]

so...

you both believe bussing D1 is perfectly playable for scum in this setup

but you also believe it is impossible to flip scum D1

What we consider optimal is not what scum has to be doing